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Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Retirement in Slovakia and EU

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  • William C. Wormuth
    Vazeny Pan Chuckie,   I have left the US out of this and I thought it was  BECAUSE OF THIS.   PHEW!  Sorry for the error, it is called semantics and I
    Message 1 of 56 , Feb 3, 2012
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      Vazeny Pan Chuckie,


       "I have left the US out of this" and I thought it was  BECAUSE OF THIS.   PHEW!  Sorry for the error, it is called "semantics" and I am Happy I was wrong.

      S Panem Bohom,

      Vilo



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      From: LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...>
      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 5:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Retirement in Slovakia and EU


       
      Vilko:

      I have not left.  Where would I go?

      I have more faith in ANY of the folks here @ S-W than I have in most of the politicians I see on TV.  I wish one of you would run for office.  We need more normal folks in office & less career politicians.  I have no faith in either political party.  I used to, but am tired of being betrayed.  They promise one thing & deliver another, if they deliver at all.

      In that way, it is the same here as in Slovakia or the rest of Europe.  I still vote.  And I may buy a pitch fork this weekend.

      I do not support the president.  And I do not support Congress.  Whatever made you think I had left?  Because I left the behavior of the US out of the discussion of Slovakia in the EU?  It was not germane to the discussion.  At least not here @ S-W.  Europe wastes Euros in Billions.  We do it in Trillions.

      If Vilko needs a Sancho Panza to squire to him in order to tilt @ the windmills, I stand ready.  As long as Ben plays the siren song & Skeeter sends us recipes from Heaven.  We must have music & food for our quest.

      Chuck

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      From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 3:57 PM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Retirement in Slovakia and EU


       
      Dear Chuck,

       I am extremely surprised that you left the country for political reasons.  We have a way to change things here and that is by  keeping contact with your politicians and taking action by publicizing your complaints.
      I am very disappointed in the actions of Congress, mostly because the house is not serving us but has only concentrated in destroying the present  President.  Please don't give up on the people because the politicians are bad.  Help to get rid of them.

      My relatives are constantly after me to move to Slovakia but I want to stay here and fight.

      S Panem Bohom,

      Vilo

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      From: LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...>
      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 4:05 PM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Retirement in Slovakia and EU

       
      Dr. Vortubam:

      However, the discussion ignores the moral hazard.  The neighbors (Slovaks, Germans, Canadians) agree to put the fire out for the overspending neighbor (Greek, Irish, Spanish, Portuguese).  The day is saved.  Until next week.  And the whole scenario repeats itself.

      .... EXCEPT, that now there are fewer neighbors to chip in to bail out, since more houses are burning, and there are fewer responsible parties to spread the risk.

      In the long run, the whole house of cards falls anyway.  As we can see from the possibility of default now spreading to the Italian, the Belgians, and the French.

      The piper MUST be paid.  The question is when.  Now, w/ a great deal of pain.  Or later, with even more pain.

      I have left the US out of this, since our position as a reserve currency allows us to sweep our problems under the rug -- for now.  Unfortunately, we are running out of carpet & the pile of debris we are trying to hide is growing exponentially.  We are a worse offender than any of the involved parties in Europe.  And the few who are trying to point this out are ridiculed.

      Respectfully,
      Chuck

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      From: votrubam <votrubam@...>
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:59 PM
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Retirement in Slovakia and EU

       
      > Slovakia as a country has lived within its means.
      > I should actually say the citizens of Slovakia.

      Slovakia has borrowed less than some, but more than some others. It also went over the limit set by the euro currency agreement, it is more than twice over the limit.

      > The same cannot be said of the citizens of Spain, Portugal,
      > Ireland & Greece.

      And the U.S., and... and... The Slovaks are aware that unlike those countries, they didn't borrow more than is remotely reasonable. And that also is what currently blinds the Slovaks to their lot.

      The problem for Slovakia is what happens if Greece and perhaps even other euro countries default. Economists expect turmoil in all of the euro countries, and elsewhere too, including in the U.S.

      What's missing is an estimate where Slovakia might land as a result of that turmoil. Say, if each Slovak pensioner needs to pay 2 euros per month to save Greece and everyone else 4 euros (ca. 0.5 percent of their incomes), that's terrible and totally unjust. But if Greece defaults, and the Slovak economy slides down, say, by only 3 percent, which would make the pensioners and the wage earners ca. 12 and 24 euros poorer each month as a result, the Slovaks will certainly not be celebrating the victory of justice.

      It's the lack of a practical consideration of the consequences of "what if we pay" and "what if we don't pay" that makes so many Slovaks' outraged posts like the table Ron mentioned, and some of their politicians' decisions, worthless.

      Imagine a house in your neighborhood that catches fire. The neighbor is 20 percent richer than you, has lived off borrowed money, started the fire, and hadn't paid the taxes that pay the firefighters.

      You, the poorer, thrifty neighbor, need to make an estimate whether you yourself now want to pay the firemen to come and put the fire out regardless. If it's certain that only that spendthrift's house burns down, good riddance. If it's certain that the fire consumes the neighborhood, you'll wisely pay the firefighters, no matter how mad you are at the spendthrift.

      The reality, of course, is that there is no certainty. So, it is wise to make estimates. But the Slovaks' comments only see how "morally right" they are. They don't ponder what to do, given that in the world as it is, you may be morally right... and see your house go down in flames.

      Martin

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    • LongJohn Wayne
      Thank you, so much.  Fascinating. ________________________________ From: votrubam To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday,
      Message 56 of 56 , Feb 16, 2012
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        Thank you, so much.  Fascinating.



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        From: votrubam <votrubam@...>
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:13 PM
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Reviving our Slovak Heratage


         
        > Speaking of these Saints [Cyril & Methodius], Martin...
        > do you recommend a book of the historical account,
        > as opposed to a religious account, of their travels & adventures?

        There's little in English that's not naive or propagandist (Bulgarian, Greek, Slovak, Czech...). And what (formerly) meaningful there is, is rather dated by now, e.g., passages in:

        <http://tinyurl.com/7e88x9e> -- click on p. 205

        Plus the intro to the chapter on Clement of Ohrid in _Six Byzantine Portraits_ by the same author. And passages in:

        <http://books.google.com/books?id=aKEaAAAAIAAJ>

        We're waiting for Ben, with degrees in Byzantine studies in hand, to write "C&M: The True Story" in English.

        As an aside, there's going to be an "illustrated lecture" about Cyril and Methodius in Central Europe in Pittsburgh (Mount Lebanon) on Monday, March 5. I'll post the details later.

        Martin




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