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  • Marycay Doolittle
    Thanks Dennis. ... From: dragansk To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Kids Hand Game (?)
    Message 1 of 17 , Oct 1, 2011
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      Thanks Dennis.
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      From: dragansk
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:49 AM
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Kids Hand Game (?)



      This post reminded me of a video I took 21 years ago in my grandmother's village, C~ernina, in eastern Slovakia. Here's the youtube link to the video if anyone would like to see two "clapping" games. The second game at the end is much shorter than the first.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g2Al34dVP0

      Dennis

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      > > My family used to do something to us when we were kids, with our hands, similar to "This Little Piggy Went to Market", but it was in Slovak (or Czech maybe). All I remember is that it involved Mama stirring the pot and cutting one's head off. Does anybody know the words (and the translation) to this??
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      > > This is what I remember - with the toes - (phonetically)starting with the big toe:
      > Hudoshek
      > Bubushek
      > Sochy Vosik
      > Dinishuk
      > Aten stady pishuk tickling little toe) - svitch im du pekla
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      > I hope I didn't kill the language!!!!
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    • Joe Armata
      We were just talking about chimney cakes - by chance, I ran across this Polish video showing them being made in the Pieniny mountains near the Polish/Slovak
      Message 2 of 17 , Oct 1, 2011
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        We were just talking about chimney cakes - by chance, I ran across this
        Polish video showing them being made in the Pieniny mountains near the
        Polish/Slovak border.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BkrD6wfB3M


        Joe
      • William C. Wormuth
        Thanks Joe, This was most interesting.  The flisacy are like the Skalicky trdelnik except trdelnik are thicker .  It makes me soooo hungry for them. 
        Message 3 of 17 , Oct 2, 2011
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          Thanks Joe, This was most interesting.  The "flisacy" are like the Skalicky trdelnik except trdelnik are "thicker".  It makes me soooo hungry for them.  Richard Novotny's cousin, Sestra Martina Novotnová, paid our was back in ľééž.  Sister is noe in residence in the Fárský  úrad in Banská Bystrica.  I visited her last year and my cousin who was with me then just called yesterday and told me he was just there visiting again.  Ah memories, memories........

          Thanks again!

          A Bohom,

          Vilo



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          From: Joe Armata <armata@...>
          To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 11:06 PM
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Video on Chimney Cakes


           
          We were just talking about chimney cakes - by chance, I ran across this
          Polish video showing them being made in the Pieniny mountains near the
          Polish/Slovak border.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BkrD6wfB3M

          Joe




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        • helene cincebeaux
          Hi All,       Joy Kovalycsik noted that The Carpathian Connection http://www.tccweb.org has just undergone a major update. Our focus is exclusively on
          Message 4 of 17 , Oct 2, 2011
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            Hi All,

                  Joy Kovalycsik noted that The Carpathian Connection http://www.tccweb.org has just undergone a major update. "Our focus is exclusively on Slovakia and we have tons of

            information for researchers," she noted.


            helene
















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          • votrubam
            ... I m not sure they d like to hear that, Vilko. The video does not say what the guy may call the cake. _Flisacy_ means rafters in Polish. A man in a
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 2, 2011
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              > The "flisacy" are like the Skalicky trdelnik

              I'm not sure they'd like to hear that, Vilko. The video does not say what the guy may call the cake. _Flisacy_ means "rafters" in Polish. A man in a rafters'/local folk outfit makes the cake in the video, but of course, most local rafters have not been making deserts. They supplement their income from other jobs by taking people down the Dunajec on wooden rafts (it would be hard to make one's living year round with that as one's only or main job).

              The chimney cake is a fledgling, very recent, import to the region (Szczawnica in Poland, about half a mile north of the Slovak border), made possible by the marketing of the grill-ovens the guy in the video uses to make it, but if it takes off, it can surely be refashioned into a "traditional local specialty" in a decade or two, e.g., like trdelnik is ubiquitous and "traditional" all over Prague's touristy downtown now, while it was nonexistent there and much of the Czech Reupblic (as well as Slovakia) merely a decade or two ago.


              Martin
            • William C. Wormuth
              Thanks Martin, I wrote the message reading from the title and not listening.  It is very interesting that that it came about because of {marketing of the
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 3, 2011
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                Thanks Martin,

                I wrote the message reading from the title and not listening.  It is very interesting that that it came about because of "{marketing of the grill-ovens".  My friend was given a wooden "Pin", by a woman who bakes the trdelnik in Skalice and he would really like to make it but has no oven to put it in.  We wonder if it cannot be made in a rotisserie oven??Pin" The rafting there was SUPER and the Pieniny are beautiful.

                Hope to see you in November.

                S Panem Bohom

                Vilo



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                From: votrubam <votrubam@...>
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:43 AM
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Video on Chimney Cakes


                 
                > The "flisacy" are like the Skalicky trdelnik

                I'm not sure they'd like to hear that, Vilko. The video does not say what the guy may call the cake. _Flisacy_ means "rafters" in Polish. A man in a rafters'/local folk outfit makes the cake in the video, but of course, most local rafters have not been making deserts. They supplement their income from other jobs by taking people down the Dunajec on wooden rafts (it would be hard to make one's living year round with that as one's only or main job).

                The chimney cake is a fledgling, very recent, import to the region (Szczawnica in Poland, about half a mile north of the Slovak border), made possible by the marketing of the grill-ovens the guy in the video uses to make it, but if it takes off, it can surely be refashioned into a "traditional local specialty" in a decade or two, e.g., like trdelnik is ubiquitous and "traditional" all over Prague's touristy downtown now, while it was nonexistent there and much of the Czech Reupblic (as well as Slovakia) merely a decade or two ago.

                Martin




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              • votrubam
                ... Yes, it was so new in Szczawnica, Poland, when the video was made three years ago that they did not even have a name for it. They referred to it as just
                Message 7 of 17 , Oct 3, 2011
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                  > not listening.

                  Yes, it was so new in Szczawnica, Poland, when the video was made three years ago that they did not even have a name for it. They referred to it as just "a cake." The traditional north-eastern Polish chimney cake is different (scroll down, on the left):

                  <http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/trdelnikbaumkuchenstovepipecookie.html>


                  > that it came
                  > about because of "{marketing of the grill-ovens". My friend
                  > was given a wooden "Pin", by a woman who bakes the trdelnik
                  > in Skalice and he would really like to make it but has no oven
                  > to put it in.  We wonder if it cannot be made in a rotisserie
                  > oven??

                  Now that trdelnik is becoming somewhat better known in Slovakia, some bake it in the oven at home. They wind it around an alufoil-covered rolling pin. A rotisserie oven with a thick pin might work too, if not better (the one in the video baked-roasted it in ca. 10 minutes). A bigger problem appears to be the dough, which needs to be raised, but falls off the spit if it is not sufficiently dense at the same time.

                  Of course, aficionados of the "true" trdelnik are horrified. It needs to be baked-roasted over the coals. The roasting takes about 15-20 minutes.


                  Martin
                • Joe Armata
                  The first episode of Who Do You Think You Are featured Martin Sheen discovering that his ggggGrandfather Don Diego on one branch of his family tree was a judge
                  Message 8 of 17 , Feb 4, 2012
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                    The first episode of Who Do You Think You Are featured Martin Sheen
                    discovering that his ggggGrandfather Don Diego on one branch of his
                    family tree was a judge who prosecuted his ggggGrandmother Antonia on
                    another branch. This was presented as astonishing and remarkable.

                    Actually, as I think about it, it's probably very common. If each
                    generation included 4 children, all of them reproducing, by the time it
                    got down to Martin Sheen's parents' generation, there'd be over 1,000
                    descendants each for Diego and Antonia. That's a lot of possible matches
                    between the two lines.

                    Add in that Don Diego was a judge, and must have prosecuted many
                    hundreds if not thousands of people during his career, then the pool of
                    descendants from everyone Diego ever prosecuted must have been
                    astronomical in Martin Sheen's parents' time. It seems to me that many
                    (even most?) people descended from Don Diego would be able to trace a
                    branch back to someone he prosecuted.

                    Am I thinking straight here?

                    Joe
                  • Donna Lachney
                    Joe. That was a great show.  I really enjoyed watching Martin Sheen and watching his delight in finding about all his past relatives.   I know how I would
                    Message 9 of 17 , Feb 4, 2012
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                      Joe.
                      That was a great show.  I really enjoyed watching Martin Sheen and watching his delight in finding about all his past relatives.   I know how I would feel traveling around Slovakia to visit relatives and finding all about them.  Don Diego sure got around.  Everything you said sure is the truth about the Sheen family, how canny.
                       
                      Donna
                       


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                      From: Joe Armata <armata@...>
                      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 3:58 PM
                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Who Do You Think You Are - Martin Sheen


                       

                      The first episode of Who Do You Think You Are featured Martin Sheen
                      discovering that his ggggGrandfather Don Diego on one branch of his
                      family tree was a judge who prosecuted his ggggGrandmother Antonia on
                      another branch. This was presented as astonishing and remarkable.

                      Actually, as I think about it, it's probably very common. If each
                      generation included 4 children, all of them reproducing, by the time it
                      got down to Martin Sheen's parents' generation, there'd be over 1,000
                      descendants each for Diego and Antonia. That's a lot of possible matches
                      between the two lines.

                      Add in that Don Diego was a judge, and must have prosecuted many
                      hundreds if not thousands of people during his career, then the pool of
                      descendants from everyone Diego ever prosecuted must have been
                      astronomical in Martin Sheen's parents' time. It seems to me that many
                      (even most?) people descended from Don Diego would be able to trace a
                      branch back to someone he prosecuted.

                      Am I thinking straight here?

                      Joe




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                    • amymemom
                      I remember that game so well - I played it with my children and grandchildren....it is my understanding that the svitch im du pekla means something like
                      Message 10 of 17 , Feb 10, 2012
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                        I remember that game so well - I played it with my children and grandchildren....it is my understanding that the "svitch im du pekla" means something like "throw it in the stove"....lol...go figure!!


                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "amymemom" <amymemom@...> wrote:
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                        >
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                        > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, Sue <AltoClar@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > My family used to do something to us when we were kids, with our hands, similar to "This Little Piggy Went to Market", but it was in Slovak (or Czech maybe). All I remember is that it involved Mama stirring the pot and cutting one's head off. Does anybody know the words (and the translation) to this??
                        > >
                        > > This is what I remember - with the toes - (phonetically)starting with the big toe:
                        > Hudoshek
                        > Bubushek
                        > Sochy Vosik
                        > Dinishuk
                        > Aten stady pishuk tickling little toe) - svitch im du pekla
                        >
                        > I hope I didn't kill the language!!!!
                        >
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                      • amymemom
                        Not to mention that Don Diego had 5 illegitimate children by Antonia and was quite the ladies man..... It must be in the blood....
                        Message 11 of 17 , Feb 10, 2012
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                          Not to mention that Don Diego had 5 illegitimate children by Antonia and was quite the ladies man.....
                          It must be in the blood....

                          --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, Joe Armata <armata@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > The first episode of Who Do You Think You Are featured Martin Sheen
                          > discovering that his ggggGrandfather Don Diego on one branch of his
                          > family tree was a judge who prosecuted his ggggGrandmother Antonia on
                          > another branch. This was presented as astonishing and remarkable.
                          >
                          > Actually, as I think about it, it's probably very common. If each
                          > generation included 4 children, all of them reproducing, by the time it
                          > got down to Martin Sheen's parents' generation, there'd be over 1,000
                          > descendants each for Diego and Antonia. That's a lot of possible matches
                          > between the two lines.
                          >
                          > Add in that Don Diego was a judge, and must have prosecuted many
                          > hundreds if not thousands of people during his career, then the pool of
                          > descendants from everyone Diego ever prosecuted must have been
                          > astronomical in Martin Sheen's parents' time. It seems to me that many
                          > (even most?) people descended from Don Diego would be able to trace a
                          > branch back to someone he prosecuted.
                          >
                          > Am I thinking straight here?
                          >
                          > Joe
                          >
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