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  • LongJohn Wayne
    Thank you, Vilko. For sharing your life & stories here. ... From: William C. Wormuth Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: WW II in Slovakia To:
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      Thank you, Vilko.

      For sharing your life & stories here.

      --- On Thu, 5/19/11, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

      From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: WW II in Slovakia
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Thursday, May 19, 2011, 6:09 PM
















       









      Allen,



      Thank you for the compliment.



      Z Bohom,



      Vilo



      ________________________________

      From: allanstevo <allanstevo@...>

      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 12:45:48 PM

      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: WW II in Slovakia



      Vilo,

      I agree with Larry. That's a strong summary of controversial opinions very well

      presented. Thank you.

      Allan

      www.52inSk.com



      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:

      >

      > Ahoj Larry,

      >

      > Thanks for the complement. I was hesitant to respond because I did not want to

      >

      > start "war" over this. I never wanted our people to be thought of as nazi.

      > They were no more nazi than our own and the British Governments, who did

      >nothing

      >

      > when this was happening and only responding when the damage was already done.

      >

      > I have always believed that their "guilt" over allowing the massacers was the

      > reason for giving away Palestinian lands to the Jews, which has created a

      > similar human destruction and displacement, (of Palestinians), which continues

      >

      > today. I realize that these peoples had no other place to go after their

      > liberation but...........

      >

      > I worked and lived in the Mid East for 20 years, witnessing the destruction of



      > Lebanon, the "Pearl of the Mediterranean" and other places there where

      >displaced

      >

      > Palestinians lived. These places were and are called "camps" but are cities

      > where these poor, starving peoples reside Some of my best friends were

      > displaced Palestinians, so I have "both sides of the story".

      >

      > I probably will not live long enough to see a Palestinian State but have long

      > prayed for their freedom. I have a good friend whose land in East Jerusalem

      >has

      >

      > been recently been confiscated. It had been in his family for over 1,000

      >years.

      >

      > It is indeed a sad time for all of them.

      >

      > Z Bohom,

      >

      > Vilo

      >

      >

      >

      >

      >

      > ________________________________

      > From: "lkocik@..." <lkocik@...>

      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 2:45:53 PM

      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia

      >

      >

      >

      >

      > Vilo

      >

      > For once in my life I'm speechless. I never save emails but I printed this one

      >

      > out.

      >

      >

      > Thank you for sharing Vilo. I'll write again after I digest everything you

      > wrote. It's very powerful and moving.

      >

      >

      > Larry----- Original Message -----

      > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:12:27 AM

      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia

      >

      > Larry,

      >

      > I have never read any articles or books which were complimentary toward the

      > forst Slovak republik. I had relatives and friends who lived in Slovakia

      >during

      >

      >

      > WWII.

      >

      > These people all related stories to me concerning the war and especially toward

      >

      > the end and after, when the first wave of Russians came through. None of these

      >

      > people were anti Jewish. They all had been proud that for the first time,

      > Slovaks were governing themselves and were complimentary of what the Government

      >

      > accomplished, especially on the infrastructure,such as regulating the Morava

      > river, which prevented floods, which were common, each year.

      >

      > The Old Film, Obchod na Korze, Shop on Main Street, was a propaganda film but

      >it

      >

      >

      > gives one a picture of what it might have been like before the war. In Kuty,

      > businesses were owned by Jews only and it had been that way since all of the

      > people were born.

      >

      > This was because the Jews were given the task of tax collecting, by the

      > Hungarian rulers. That way, the people would not think of them as "Thieves".

      > My Grand mother used to tell us, "The king took 50% and the Jews, 40%..There

      >was

      >

      >

      > no Slovak school, in the town but there was a Jewish one. Gramma was not anti



      > Jewish but wanted to give us a picture of her life then

      >

      > If you understand the "way it was", you might understand why the people were

      > apathetic about the roundup of those people and their "deportation". Our

      >people

      >

      >

      > had no idea that the Jews would be slaughtered and when they finally found out,

      >

      > they began hiding any Jews they knew about.

      >

      > One friend and his co-workers, hid a Jew in the office until the wars end. If



      > they were caught by the Germans, they would have been executed.

      >

      > The Hlinkova Garda was portrayed as some sort of SS troopers but they were the

      >

      > soldiers of the day and were responsible for rounding up Jews for deportation.



      >

      > By the time they found that the Jews were being executed, the Jews had already



      > gone away.

      >

      > Father Augustine Zan, was our assistant Pastor here. He had been a secretary

      >to

      >

      >

      > Monsignor Jozef Tiso. He was a good friend of mine in my High School years and

      >

      > told me many tales as we walked along country roads here.

      >

      > At the wars end, when the coimmunists were killing the goverment leaders, the

      > people hid father, in the bell tower, until they could devise a plan to smuggle

      >

      > him to Germany, where he was chaplain to Slovak escapees.

      >

      > The communists fabricated a picture of Father Zan, standing among bodies,

      > holding a pistol, as if he had killed all. They then forwarded the Photo to

      > many embassies. They then followed him to his town in Germany and the German

      > Government sent him to Rome. He was then sent to the Albany NY diocese.

      >

      > When I think of those days and what the Nazis did, I also remember the

      >suffering

      >

      >

      > of the millions of non-Jews who were also killed. These included people of

      >many

      >

      >

      > nations as well as many who aged, infirm, mental etc. They also were

      > slaughtering Gypsies and homosexuals.

      >

      > I spent 4 years in the USAF but only aafter the Korean war ended so I did not

      > experience war. However, my Mother's sister, was an Army nurse and

      >participated

      >

      >

      > in the second wave at Normandy. She proceeded with the forces, all the way to



      > Vienna. Her stories were very shocking and thank God she survived.

      >

      > Books concerning the experience of Jews, are numerous. The Israeli Government

      > has been complimentary toward the Slovak people and their actions during those



      > times.

      >

      > As the German Army was leaving, some of them knocked on the doors and warned

      >the

      >

      >

      > people to hide their young daughters and any valuables they had because the

      > Russians were coming. They knew that this wave were mostly uneducated mongols



      > that were pillaging and raping .

      >

      > My cousins Grandmother was raped, on her death bed.!

      >

      > All of these stories and memories makes me appreciate how far our people have

      > come and how adaptive they have been to the changes in their lives.

      >

      > Z Bohom,

      >

      > Vilo

      >

      > ________________________________

      > From: "lkocik@..." <lkocik@...>

      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 12:32:04 AM

      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia

      >

      >

      >

      > Ron

      >

      > Thank you for the recommendation. I will look into the book.

      >

      > I do realize everything I find will not be pleasant, but I want to know the

      > truth. I also understand people do what they have to just to survive. I'm a

      > veteran of a foriegn war, but it was "over there" and after I served my time I



      > got to come home. I can't begin to imagine what atrocities the Eastern

      >Europeans

      >

      >

      > civilians had to suffer in WW2, so I have no right to judge . Knowing myself

      >for

      >

      >

      > as long as I have, I have to wonder if I would have been able to stand up and

      >be

      >

      >

      > counted among what the J ews called "the rightous". I would hope I could, but

      >I

      >

      >

      > have to be honest and say probably not.

      >

      > With the communists, nazis, Hungarians and even Moravians...was there ever

      >

      > a time in history when the Slovaks weren't under someone's thumb?

      >

      > Larry---- Original Message -----

      > From: "Ron" <amiak27@...>

      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:11:29 PM

      > Subject: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia

      >

      > Larry,

      >

      > You said "... to understand the role of Slovaks in WW2"

      >

      > War topics get way too much attention, but the public demands it. I burned out

      >

      > on wars a long time ago, but can recommend a book I recently discovered, one

      > that presents Slovaks and Poles and Jewish victims at Auschwitz without the

      > finger pointing that has become de rigueur.

      >

      > "Escape from Hell: The True Story of the Auschwitz Protocol

      > by Alfred Wetzler"

      >

      > The bad guys are the fascists (mostly German, but also some Poles and Slovaks),

      >

      > and the good guys are the Resistance, the communists (then our allies and

      > certifiably anti-fascist). Heroic people presented to us are taken from the

      > Jewish, the Poles and the Slovaks.

      >

      > The book was published during the communist times in 1963 and was only

      > translated from the Slovak into English in 2007.

      >

      > If the topic interests you then certainly it is a book to be recommended.

      > Returning to your wish to understand, it also presents an interesting window

      >on

      >

      >

      > everyday life and values of our peoples back then.

      >

      > Ron

      > P.S. The escape route from Auschwitz was across the mountains to Cadsa in NW

      > Slovakia.

      >

      > Escape from Hell: The True Story of the Auschwitz Protocol

      > by Alfred Wetzler

      > ISBN 1-84545-183-X or hardback ISBN 978-1-84545-183-7

      >

      >

      >

      > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, lkocik@ wrote:

      > >

      > >

      > >

      > > Allen

      > >

      > > Â About your web site www.52insk.com

      > >

      > > Â Very insightful. I've tried for years to understand the role of Slovaks in

      >

      > >WW2, but being such a sensitive subject, it was hard to find such an objective

      >

      > >explanation. I also share your thoughts on neo-nazi types in present day

      > >Bratislava, which of course applies to their ilk everywhere.

      > >

      > > Thank you Allen; I put your site on my "favorite places".

      > >

      > > Larry Kocik

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