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  • LongJohn Wayne
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend.  Were any of you there for this?  Most of the pictures are of
    Message 1 of 23 , Feb 1, 2011
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

      Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend.  Were any of you there for this?  Most of the pictures are of Prague.  Does anyone have any links of the events in SK?

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    • genmom4
      Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.
      Message 2 of 23 , Feb 2, 2011
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        Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.

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      • William C. Wormuth
        Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek , Once I even
        Message 3 of 23 , Feb 2, 2011
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          Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  " You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched his pants drying on the clothes line".
          When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best of everything.  Complaining doesn't change anything.

          Z Bohom,

          Vilo

          --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

          From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM







           









          Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.



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        • Lou
          In case you re not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968.
          Message 4 of 23 , Mar 10, 2011
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            In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
            Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents, photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938; Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper); 978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc. <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres. SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.
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            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
            Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

            Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  " You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched his pants drying on the clothes line".
            When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best of everything.  Complaining doesn't change anything.

            Z Bohom,

            Vilo

            --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

            From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM







             









            Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.



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          • William C. Wormuth
            Lou, I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso. I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from invasion by Hitler.
            Message 5 of 23 , Mar 10, 2011
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              Lou,

              I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

              I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
              "invasion" by Hitler.


              Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

              Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
              exported from Slovakia.

              Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
              Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

              This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
              could enter the business world.


              When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
              hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

              The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
              propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
              Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

              I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

              I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

              My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
              friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
              treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

              In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
              warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
              girls and any valuables.

              The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
              raped, while on her death bed.

              Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
              Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
              Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
              able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
              escapees from Slovakia.

              Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German
              government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
              pistol.

              Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

              Z Bohom,

              Vilo



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              From: Lou <lou@...>
              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


              In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
              "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
              Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
              photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
              Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
              tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
              rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
              978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
              <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
              SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
              your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in
              ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

              -----Original Message-----
              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
              Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

              Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You
              know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
              his pants drying on the clothes line".
              When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
              of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

              Z Bohom,

              Vilo

              --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

              From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



              Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
              here.

              --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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            • smudsville@yahoo.com
              In hungary the jews weren t transported north until the end of the war, a time when germany knew it would lose. How does this compare to czechkoslovakian
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                In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time when germany knew it would lose.

                How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming slovakia be a roadblock?

                Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was a more heinous form of "theft".

                Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to foresee future.

                I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                -----Original Message-----
                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                Lou,

                I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                "invasion" by Hitler.


                Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                exported from Slovakia.

                Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                could enter the business world.


                When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                girls and any valuables.

                The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                raped, while on her death bed.

                Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                escapees from Slovakia.

                Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German
                government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                pistol.

                Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                Z Bohom,

                Vilo



                ________________________________
                From: Lou <lou@...>
                To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in
                ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You
                know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                his pants drying on the clothes line".
                When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                Z Bohom,

                Vilo

                --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                here.

                --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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                >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                >events in SK?

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              • William C. Wormuth
                It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
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                  It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                  is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                  These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                  Religions....
                  11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                  6 Million were Jews!

                  Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                  Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






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                  From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                  In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                  when germany knew it would lose.


                  How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                  slovakia be a roadblock?


                  Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty
                  of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                  I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                  plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was
                  a more heinous form of "theft".


                  Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                  in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                  trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                  times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                  It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                  foresee future.


                  I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                  To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                  Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                  Lou,

                  I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                  I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                  "invasion" by Hitler.


                  Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.


                  Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                  exported from Slovakia.

                  Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                  Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                  This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                  could enter the business world.


                  When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                  hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                  The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                  propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                  Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                  I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                  I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                  My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                  friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                  treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                  In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                  warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                  girls and any valuables.

                  The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                  raped, while on her death bed.

                  Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                  Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                  Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                  able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                  escapees from Slovakia.

                  Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                  government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                  pistol.

                  Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                  Z Bohom,

                  Vilo



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                  From: Lou <lou@...>
                  To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                  Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                  In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                  "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                  Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                  photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                  Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                  tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                  rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                  978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                  <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                  SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                  your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                  ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                  Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                  know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                  his pants drying on the clothes line".
                  When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                  of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                  Z Bohom,

                  Vilo

                  --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                  From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                  Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                  here.

                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                  >

                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                  >

                  > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                  >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                  >events in SK?

                  >

                  > chuck

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                • smudsville@yahoo.com
                  I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such success if that word is accurate.Many times I
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                    I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                    Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                    Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                    Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                    It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                    Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                    I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                    While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                    Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                    I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                    You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                    As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                    I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb
                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                    Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                    To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                    Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                    It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                    is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                    These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                    Religions....
                    11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                    6 Million were Jews!

                    Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                    Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






                    ________________________________
                    From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                    In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                    when germany knew it would lose.


                    How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                    slovakia be a roadblock?


                    Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty
                    of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                    I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                    plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was
                    a more heinous form of "theft".


                    Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                    in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                    trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                    times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                    It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                    foresee future.


                    I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                    Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                    To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                    Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                    Lou,

                    I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                    I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                    "invasion" by Hitler.


                    Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.


                    Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                    exported from Slovakia.

                    Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                    Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                    This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                    could enter the business world.


                    When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                    hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                    The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                    propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                    Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                    I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                    I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                    My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                    friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                    treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                    In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                    warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                    girls and any valuables.

                    The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                    raped, while on her death bed.

                    Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                    Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                    Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                    able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                    escapees from Slovakia.

                    Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                    government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                    pistol.

                    Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                    Z Bohom,

                    Vilo



                    ________________________________
                    From: Lou <lou@...>
                    To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                    Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                    In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                    "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                    Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                    photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                    Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                    tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                    rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                    978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                    <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                    SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                    your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                    ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                    Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                    know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                    his pants drying on the clothes line".
                    When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                    of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                    Z Bohom,

                    Vilo

                    --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                    From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                    Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                    here.

                    --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                    >

                    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                    >

                    > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                    >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                    >events in SK?

                    >

                    > chuck

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

                    >

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                    >

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                  • William C. Wormuth
                    Please do not confuse the Roma with Romanian, for although there is a very large population in Romania, there is no connection. Roma originated in Northern
                    Message 9 of 23 , Mar 11, 2011
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                      Please do not confuse the Roma with Romanian, for although there is a very large
                      population in Romania, there is no connection.

                      Roma originated in Northern India. The history on the following site is good
                      and will fulfill your need to read:

                      http://www.religioustolerance.org/roma.htm

                      Z Bohom,

                      Vilo





                      ________________________________
                      From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 1:42:06 AM
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                      I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries
                      such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                      Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree?
                      If so, why.

                      Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian
                      lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary
                      for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who
                      hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest
                      supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                      Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                      It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and
                      spiritually more free.

                      Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                      I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs.
                      Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                      While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to
                      slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a
                      rusyn is not a russian...

                      Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito
                      was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for
                      centuries...

                      I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not
                      quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new
                      socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The
                      humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                      You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join
                      take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is
                      happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what
                      hitler did.

                      As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown
                      churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs
                      with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs
                      would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous
                      that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing
                      pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them
                      or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to
                      conquer.

                      I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
                      Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was
                      done...dlb

                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                      To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                      It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                      is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                      These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                      Religions....
                      11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                      6 Million were Jews!

                      Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                      Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






                      ________________________________
                      From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                      In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                      when germany knew it would lose.


                      How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                      slovakia be a roadblock?


                      Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                      of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                      I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                      plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                      a more heinous form of "theft".


                      Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                      in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                      trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                      times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                      It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                      foresee future.


                      I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                      To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                      Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                      Lou,

                      I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                      I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                      "invasion" by Hitler.


                      Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                      Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                      exported from Slovakia.

                      Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                      Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                      This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                      could enter the business world.


                      When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                      hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                      The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                      propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                      Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                      I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                      I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                      My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                      friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                      treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                      In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                      warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                      girls and any valuables.

                      The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                      raped, while on her death bed.

                      Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                      Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                      Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                      able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                      escapees from Slovakia.

                      Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German


                      government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                      pistol.

                      Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                      Z Bohom,

                      Vilo



                      ________________________________
                      From: Lou <lou@...>
                      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                      In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                      "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                      Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                      photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                      Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                      tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                      rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                      978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                      <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                      SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                      your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in


                      ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                      Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You


                      know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                      his pants drying on the clothes line".
                      When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                      of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                      Z Bohom,

                      Vilo

                      --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                      From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                      Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                      here.

                      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                      >

                      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                      >

                      > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for


                      >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                      >events in SK?

                      >

                      > chuck

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

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                    • LongJohn Wayne
                      What an incredible post.  Don t know where to start. ... From: smudsville@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see
                      Message 10 of 23 , Mar 15, 2011
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                        What an incredible post.  Don't know where to start.

                        --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                        From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM







                         











                        I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                        Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                        Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                        Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                        It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                        Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                        I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                        While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                        Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                        I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                        You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                        As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                        I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb


                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                        -----Original Message-----


                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16


                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                        It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It


                        is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.


                        These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various


                        Religions....


                        11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!





                        6 Million were Jews!





                        Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust


                        Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm




















                        ________________________________


                        From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>


                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM


                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also











                        In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time


                        when germany knew it would lose.








                        How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming


                        slovakia be a roadblock?








                        Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty


                        of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?








                        I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and


                        plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was


                        a more heinous form of "theft".








                        Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking


                        in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people


                        trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of


                        times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.








                        It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to


                        foresee future.








                        I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb








                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                        -----Original Message-----


                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58


                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                        Lou,





                        I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.





                        I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from


                        "invasion" by Hitler.








                        Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.








                        Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only


                        exported from Slovakia.





                        Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were


                        Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.





                        This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they


                        could enter the business world.








                        When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by


                        hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.





                        The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist


                        propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.


                        Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.





                        I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.





                        I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.





                        My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My


                        friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,


                        treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.





                        In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door


                        warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young


                        girls and any valuables.





                        The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was


                        raped, while on her death bed.





                        Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the


                        Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to


                        Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was


                        able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to


                        escapees from Slovakia.





                        Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German





                        government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a


                        pistol.





                        Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.





                        Z Bohom,





                        Vilo











                        ________________________________


                        From: Lou <lou@...>


                        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM


                        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also








                        In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of


                        "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."


                        Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,


                        photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;


                        Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a


                        tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the


                        rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);


                        978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.


                        <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.


                        SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to


                        your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in





                        ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.





                        -----Original Message-----


                        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On


                        Behalf Of William C. Wormuth


                        Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM


                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring





                        Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You





                        know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched


                        his pants drying on the clothes line".


                        When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best


                        of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.





                        Z Bohom,





                        Vilo





                        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:





                        From: genmom4 <geismom@...>


                        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring


                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM











                        Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom


                        here.





                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:





                        >





                        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g





                        >





                        > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for





                        >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the


                        >events in SK?





                        >





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                          On 3/15/2011 1:05 PM, LongJohn Wayne wrote:
                          >
                          > What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.
                          >
                          > --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@...
                          > <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com> <smudsville@...
                          > <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>
                          > <smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>>
                          > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy
                          > that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is
                          > accurate.
                          >
                          > Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do
                          > you agree? If so, why.
                          >
                          > Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back
                          > romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did,
                          > shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I
                          > work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't
                          > understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself
                          > "in the barrel."
                          >
                          > Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.
                          >
                          > It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated
                          > and spiritually more free.
                          >
                          > Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.
                          >
                          > I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak
                          > listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their
                          > wwII past.
                          >
                          > While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to
                          > slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in,
                          > unless a rusyn is not a russian...
                          >
                          > Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way
                          > as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european
                          > conquerors did for centuries...
                          >
                          > I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but
                          > am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are
                          > fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship
                          > or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent
                          > themselves to be.
                          >
                          > You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If
                          > you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing
                          > listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is
                          > little different than what hitler did.
                          >
                          > As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like
                          > allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa
                          > legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even
                          > allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders.
                          > While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never
                          > happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet
                          > privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to
                          > them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make
                          > themselves easier to conquer.
                          >
                          > I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the
                          > same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in
                          > how it was done...dlb
                          >
                          > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          >
                          > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@... <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>>
                          >
                          > Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                          >
                          > To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          >
                          > Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                          >
                          > It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the
                          > Holocaust. It
                          >
                          > is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were
                          > slaughtered.
                          >
                          > These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                          >
                          > Religions....
                          >
                          > 11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!
                          >
                          > 6 Million were Jews!
                          >
                          > Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                          >
                          > Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          >
                          > From: "smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>"
                          > <smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>>
                          >
                          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                          >
                          > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                          >
                          > In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the
                          > war, a time
                          >
                          > when germany knew it would lose.
                          >
                          > How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would
                          > forming
                          >
                          > slovakia be a roadblock?
                          >
                          > Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed
                          > by treaty
                          >
                          > of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected
                          > and how?
                          >
                          > I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                          >
                          > plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in
                          > the war was
                          >
                          > a more heinous form of "theft".
                          >
                          > Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the
                          > outside looking
                          >
                          > in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather
                          > people
                          >
                          > trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most
                          > trying of
                          >
                          > times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.
                          >
                          > It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the
                          > ability to
                          >
                          > foresee future.
                          >
                          > I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb
                          >
                          > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          >
                          > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@... <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>>
                          >
                          > Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                          >
                          > To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          >
                          > Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                          >
                          > Lou,
                          >
                          > I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.
                          >
                          > I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia
                          > from
                          >
                          > "invasion" by Hitler.
                          >
                          > Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during
                          > the reign.
                          >
                          > Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered
                          > but only
                          >
                          > exported from Slovakia.
                          >
                          > Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations
                          > were
                          >
                          > Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.
                          >
                          > This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally
                          > they
                          >
                          > could enter the business world.
                          >
                          > When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the
                          > responded by
                          >
                          > hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.
                          >
                          > The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso ,
                          > communist
                          >
                          > propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                          >
                          > Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad "
                          > he was.
                          >
                          > I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.
                          >
                          > I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.
                          >
                          > My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very
                          > negative. My
                          >
                          > friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                          >
                          > treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own
                          > towns.
                          >
                          > In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went
                          > door, to door
                          >
                          > warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide
                          > their young
                          >
                          > girls and any valuables.
                          >
                          > The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins
                          > grandmother was
                          >
                          > raped, while on her death bed.
                          >
                          > Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating
                          > to the
                          >
                          > Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was
                          > secretary to
                          >
                          > Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he
                          > was
                          >
                          > able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he
                          > administered to
                          >
                          > escapees from Slovakia.
                          >
                          > Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to
                          > the German
                          >
                          > government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies,
                          > holding a
                          >
                          > pistol.
                          >
                          > Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.
                          >
                          > Z Bohom,
                          >
                          > Vilo
                          >
                          > ________________________________
                          >
                          > From: Lou <lou@... <mailto:lou%40bolchazy.com>>
                          >
                          > To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                          >
                          > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                          >
                          > Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                          >
                          > In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the
                          > publisher of
                          >
                          > "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA,
                          > 1968."
                          >
                          > Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new
                          > documents,
                          >
                          > photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                          >
                          > Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia.
                          > It's a
                          >
                          > tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords,
                          > while the
                          >
                          > rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                          >
                          > 978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                          >
                          > <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy,
                          > Pres.
                          >
                          > SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this
                          > book to
                          >
                          > your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK
                          > BOOKS in
                          >
                          > ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.
                          >
                          > -----Original Message-----
                          >
                          > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          > [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                          >
                          > Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                          >
                          > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                          >
                          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                          >
                          > Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who
                          > said: " You
                          >
                          > know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I
                          > even touched
                          >
                          > his pants drying on the clothes line".
                          >
                          > When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make
                          > the best
                          >
                          > of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.
                          >
                          > Z Bohom,
                          >
                          > Vilo
                          >
                          > --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...
                          > <mailto:geismom%40comcast.net>> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: genmom4 <geismom@... <mailto:geismom%40comcast.net>>
                          >
                          > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                          >
                          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                          >
                          > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM
                          >
                          > Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my
                          > freedom
                          >
                          > here.
                          >
                          > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>, LongJohn Wayne
                          > <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you
                          > there for
                          >
                          > >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links
                          > of the
                          >
                          > >events in SK?
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > chuck
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >
                          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                          >
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                          >
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                          Bill Brna


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                        • LongJohn Wayne
                          Isn t that what this site is all about?  Comments, questions, & responses? Are you well, Jack? ... From: Gergely Subject: Re:
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                            Isn't that what this site is all about?  Comments, questions, & responses?

                            Are you well, Jack?

                            --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                            From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM







                             









                            Why bother?

                            Jack gergely

                            Newport News

                            ----- Original Message -----

                            From: LongJohn Wayne

                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                            Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                            --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                            From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                            Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                            I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                            Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                            Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                            Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                            It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                            Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                            I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                            While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                            Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                            I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                            You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                            As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                            I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                            -----Original Message-----



                            From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                            Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                            To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



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                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                            is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                            These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                            Religions....



                            11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                            6 Million were Jews!



                            Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                            Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                            ________________________________



                            From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                            when germany knew it would lose.



                            How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                            slovakia be a roadblock?



                            Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                            of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                            I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                            plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                            a more heinous form of "theft".



                            Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                            in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                            trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                            times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                            It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                            foresee future.



                            I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                            -----Original Message-----



                            From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                            Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



                            To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                            Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            Lou,



                            I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                            I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                            "invasion" by Hitler.



                            Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                            Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                            exported from Slovakia.



                            Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                            Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                            This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                            could enter the business world.



                            When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                            hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                            The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                            propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                            Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                            I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                            I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                            My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                            friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                            treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                            In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                            warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                            girls and any valuables.



                            The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                            raped, while on her death bed.



                            Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                            Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                            Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                            able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                            escapees from Slovakia.



                            Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                            government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                            pistol.



                            Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                            Z Bohom,



                            Vilo



                            ________________________________



                            From: Lou <lou@...>



                            To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                            Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                            "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                            Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                            photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                            Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                            tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                            rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                            978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                            <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                            SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                            your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                            ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



                            -----Original Message-----



                            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                            Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                            Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                            Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                            know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                            his pants drying on the clothes line".



                            When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                            of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                            Z Bohom,



                            Vilo



                            --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



                            From: genmom4 <geismom@...>



                            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                            Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                            Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                            here.



                            --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:



                            >



                            > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



                            >



                            > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                            >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                            >events in SK?



                            >



                            > chuck



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                            Why bother? Jack gergely Newport News ... From: LongJohn Wayne To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re:
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                              Why bother?
                              Jack gergely
                              Newport News
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: LongJohn Wayne
                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                              What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                              --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                              From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                              I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                              Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                              Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                              Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                              It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                              Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                              I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                              While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                              Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                              I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                              You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                              As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                              I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                              -----Original Message-----

                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                              is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                              These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                              Religions....

                              11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                              6 Million were Jews!

                              Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                              Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                              ________________________________

                              From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                              when germany knew it would lose.

                              How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                              slovakia be a roadblock?

                              Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                              of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                              I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                              plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                              a more heinous form of "theft".

                              Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                              in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                              trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                              times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                              It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                              foresee future.

                              I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                              -----Original Message-----

                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              Lou,

                              I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                              I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                              "invasion" by Hitler.

                              Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                              Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                              exported from Slovakia.

                              Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                              Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                              This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                              could enter the business world.

                              When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                              hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                              The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                              propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                              Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                              I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                              I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                              My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                              friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                              treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                              In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                              warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                              girls and any valuables.

                              The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                              raped, while on her death bed.

                              Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                              Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                              Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                              able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                              escapees from Slovakia.

                              Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                              government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                              pistol.

                              Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                              Z Bohom,

                              Vilo

                              ________________________________

                              From: Lou <lou@...>

                              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                              "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                              Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                              photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                              Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                              tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                              rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                              978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                              <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                              SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                              your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                              ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                              -----Original Message-----

                              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                              Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                              Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                              Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                              know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                              his pants drying on the clothes line".

                              When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                              of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                              Z Bohom,

                              Vilo

                              --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                              From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                              Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                              Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                              here.

                              --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                              >

                              > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                              >

                              > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                              >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                              >events in SK?

                              >

                              > chuck

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

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                              Yeah, I m Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn t make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better. Jack Gergely Newport News ...
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                                Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.
                                Jack Gergely
                                Newport News
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: LongJohn Wayne
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?

                                Are you well, Jack?

                                --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                Why bother?

                                Jack gergely

                                Newport News

                                ----- Original Message -----

                                From: LongJohn Wayne

                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                                --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM

                                I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                                Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                                Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                                Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                                I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                                As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                                I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                -----Original Message-----

                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                                is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                                These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                                Religions....

                                11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                6 Million were Jews!

                                Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                                Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                                ________________________________

                                From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                                when germany knew it would lose.

                                How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                                slovakia be a roadblock?

                                Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                                I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                                plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                a more heinous form of "theft".

                                Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                                in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                                trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                                times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                                It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                                foresee future.

                                I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                -----Original Message-----

                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                Lou,

                                I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                                "invasion" by Hitler.

                                Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                                Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                                exported from Slovakia.

                                Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                                Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                                could enter the business world.

                                When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                                hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                                propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                                Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                                friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                                treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                                warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                                girls and any valuables.

                                The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                                raped, while on her death bed.

                                Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                                Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                                Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                                able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                                escapees from Slovakia.

                                Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                                government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                                pistol.

                                Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                Z Bohom,

                                Vilo

                                ________________________________

                                From: Lou <lou@...>

                                To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                                Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                                "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                                Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                                photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                                Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                                tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                                rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                                978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                                <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                                SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                                your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                                ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                -----Original Message-----

                                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                                Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                                Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                                know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                                his pants drying on the clothes line".

                                When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                                of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                Z Bohom,

                                Vilo

                                --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                                Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                                here.

                                --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                                >

                                > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                >

                                > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                                >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                                >events in SK?

                                >

                                > chuck

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                              • LongJohn Wayne
                                That s what I mean.  We could each go off on a tangent. ... From: Gergely Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also To:
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                                  That's what I mean.  We could each go off on a tangent.

                                  --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                  From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM







                                   









                                  Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.

                                  Jack Gergely

                                  Newport News

                                  ----- Original Message -----

                                  From: LongJohn Wayne

                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM

                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?



                                  Are you well, Jack?



                                  --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                  From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                  Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                  Why bother?



                                  Jack gergely



                                  Newport News



                                  ----- Original Message -----



                                  From: LongJohn Wayne



                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                                  --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                                  From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                  I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                  Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                  Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                  Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                  It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                  Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                  I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                  While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                  Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                  I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                  You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                  As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                  I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                  -----Original Message-----



                                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                                  To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                  Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                                  is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                                  These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                                  Religions....



                                  11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                                  6 Million were Jews!



                                  Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                                  Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                                  ________________________________



                                  From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                                  when germany knew it would lose.



                                  How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                                  slovakia be a roadblock?



                                  Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                                  of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                                  I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                                  plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                                  a more heinous form of "theft".



                                  Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                                  in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                                  trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                                  times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                                  It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                                  foresee future.



                                  I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                  -----Original Message-----



                                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



                                  To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                  Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  Lou,



                                  I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                                  I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                                  "invasion" by Hitler.



                                  Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                  Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                                  exported from Slovakia.



                                  Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                                  Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                                  This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                                  could enter the business world.



                                  When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                                  hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                                  The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                                  propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                                  Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                                  I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                                  I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                                  My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                                  friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                                  treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                                  In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                                  warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                                  girls and any valuables.



                                  The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                                  raped, while on her death bed.



                                  Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                                  Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                                  Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                                  able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                                  escapees from Slovakia.



                                  Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                                  government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                                  pistol.



                                  Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                                  Z Bohom,



                                  Vilo



                                  ________________________________



                                  From: Lou <lou@...>



                                  To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                                  Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                  In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                                  "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                                  Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                                  photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                                  Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                                  tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                                  rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                                  978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                                  <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                                  SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                                  your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                                  ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



                                  -----Original Message-----



                                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                                  Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                  Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                                  know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                                  his pants drying on the clothes line".



                                  When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                                  of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                                  Z Bohom,



                                  Vilo



                                  --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



                                  From: genmom4 <geismom@...>



                                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                  Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                  Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                                  here.



                                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:



                                  >



                                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



                                  >



                                  > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                                  >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                                  >events in SK?



                                  >



                                  > chuck



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                                • Gergely
                                  Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy. My apologies to Mr. Smudsville. Jack Gergely ... From: LongJohn Wayne To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                  Message 16 of 23 , Mar 15, 2011
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                                    Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy.
                                    My apologies to Mr. Smudsville.

                                    Jack Gergely
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: LongJohn Wayne
                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                    That's what I mean. We could each go off on a tangent.

                                    --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                    From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM



                                    Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.

                                    Jack Gergely

                                    Newport News

                                    ----- Original Message -----

                                    From: LongJohn Wayne

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?

                                    Are you well, Jack?

                                    --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                    From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM

                                    Why bother?

                                    Jack gergely

                                    Newport News

                                    ----- Original Message -----

                                    From: LongJohn Wayne

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                                    --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                    From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM

                                    I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                    Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                                    Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                    Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                    It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                                    Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                    I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                    While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                                    Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                                    I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                    You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                                    As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                                    I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                    -----Original Message-----

                                    From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                    Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                                    To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                    Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                                    is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                                    These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                                    Religions....

                                    11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                    6 Million were Jews!

                                    Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                                    Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                                    ________________________________

                                    From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                                    when germany knew it would lose.

                                    How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                                    slovakia be a roadblock?

                                    Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                    of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                                    I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                                    plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                    a more heinous form of "theft".

                                    Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                                    in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                                    trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                                    times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                                    It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                                    foresee future.

                                    I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                                    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                    -----Original Message-----

                                    From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                    Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                                    To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                    Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    Lou,

                                    I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                    I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                                    "invasion" by Hitler.

                                    Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                                    Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                                    exported from Slovakia.

                                    Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                                    Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                    This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                                    could enter the business world.

                                    When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                                    hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                    The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                                    propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                                    Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                    I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                    I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                    My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                                    friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                                    treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                    In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                                    warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                                    girls and any valuables.

                                    The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                                    raped, while on her death bed.

                                    Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                                    Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                                    Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                                    able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                                    escapees from Slovakia.

                                    Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                                    government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                                    pistol.

                                    Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                    Z Bohom,

                                    Vilo

                                    ________________________________

                                    From: Lou <lou@...>

                                    To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                    Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                                    Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                    In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                                    "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                                    Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                                    photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                                    Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                                    tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                                    rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                                    978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                                    <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                                    SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                                    your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                                    ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                    -----Original Message-----

                                    From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                                    Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                                    Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                    Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                                    know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                                    his pants drying on the clothes line".

                                    When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                                    of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                    Z Bohom,

                                    Vilo

                                    --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                    From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                    Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                                    Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                                    here.

                                    --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                                    >

                                    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                    >

                                    > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                                    >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                                    >events in SK?

                                    >

                                    > chuck

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                                  • LongJohn Wayne
                                    Not that bad.  Just not your usual congenial self. ... From: Gergely Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also To:
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                                      Not that bad.  Just not your usual congenial self.

                                      --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                      From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 2:29 PM







                                       









                                      Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy.

                                      My apologies to Mr. Smudsville.



                                      Jack Gergely

                                      ----- Original Message -----

                                      From: LongJohn Wayne

                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                      Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM

                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      That's what I mean. We could each go off on a tangent.



                                      --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                      From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                      Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM



                                      Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.



                                      Jack Gergely



                                      Newport News



                                      ----- Original Message -----



                                      From: LongJohn Wayne



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?



                                      Are you well, Jack?



                                      --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                      From: Gergely <gergely@...>



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                      Why bother?



                                      Jack gergely



                                      Newport News



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                                      From: LongJohn Wayne



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                                      --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                                      From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                      I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                      Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                      Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                      Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                      It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                      Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                      I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                      While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                      Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                      I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                      You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                      As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                      I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



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                                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                                      To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                      Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                                      is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                                      These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                                      Religions....



                                      11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                                      6 Million were Jews!



                                      Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                                      Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                                      ________________________________



                                      From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                                      when germany knew it would lose.



                                      How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                                      slovakia be a roadblock?



                                      Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                                      of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                                      I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                                      plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                                      a more heinous form of "theft".



                                      Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                                      in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                                      trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                                      times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                                      It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                                      foresee future.



                                      I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



                                      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                      -----Original Message-----



                                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



                                      To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                      Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      Lou,



                                      I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                                      I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                                      "invasion" by Hitler.



                                      Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                      Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                                      exported from Slovakia.



                                      Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                                      Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                                      This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                                      could enter the business world.



                                      When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                                      hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                                      The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                                      propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                                      Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                                      I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                                      I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                                      My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                                      friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                                      treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                                      In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                                      warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                                      girls and any valuables.



                                      The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                                      raped, while on her death bed.



                                      Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                                      Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                                      Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                                      able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                                      escapees from Slovakia.



                                      Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                                      government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                                      pistol.



                                      Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                                      Z Bohom,



                                      Vilo



                                      ________________________________



                                      From: Lou <lou@...>



                                      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                                      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                                      "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                                      Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                                      photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                                      Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                                      tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                                      rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                                      978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                                      <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                                      SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                                      your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                                      ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



                                      -----Original Message-----



                                      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                                      Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                                      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                      Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                                      know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                                      his pants drying on the clothes line".



                                      When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                                      of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                                      Z Bohom,



                                      Vilo



                                      --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



                                      From: genmom4 <geismom@...>



                                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                      Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                                      here.



                                      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:



                                      >



                                      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



                                      >



                                      > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                                      >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                                      >events in SK?



                                      >



                                      > chuck



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                                    • LongJohn Wayne
                                      Which ideology?  What is its bias? Yes, WWII in many ways was a continuation of WWI:  The elimination of monarchies.  Unstable in WWI & even the stable in
                                      Message 18 of 23 , Mar 18, 2011
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                                        Which ideology?  What is its bias?

                                        Yes, WWII in many ways was a continuation of WWI:  The elimination of monarchies.  Unstable in WWI & even the stable in WWII.  In other ways it was different.   Slovakia, like much of the rest of Europe was tossed upon the waves, with border lines drawn by others.

                                        I don't understand the 'Barrell' reference or the Rom question, exactly.

                                        One thing the Intelligentsia has in common w/ Rom gypsies is that it is a symbiotic relationship.  Each is dependent upon the other, in many respects. I'm sure there are others similarities, dependencies etc.  But we are barely on topic here for this group. 

                                        I had understood Rusyns to be different & distinct from Russians.  Perhaps I have made an erroneous assumption. 

                                        Was Tito's blood drunk by his executioners?  I did not know that.  I don't see how it would help us in the here & now if it had been done.  Mussolini & Cecescu did not fare very well either.

                                        Not sure what to make of the rest.  I eat cows, chickens & pigs on occasion.

                                        What is the main point here?  And what exactly does any of this have to do w/ the Prague Spring?

                                        Chuck

                                        --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                        From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM







                                         











                                        I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                        Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                        Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                        Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                        It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                        Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                        I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                        While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                        Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                        I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                        You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                        As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                        I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb


                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                                        -----Original Message-----


                                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16


                                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                                        It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It


                                        is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.


                                        These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various


                                        Religions....


                                        11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!





                                        6 Million were Jews!





                                        Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust


                                        Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm




















                                        ________________________________


                                        From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>


                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM


                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also











                                        In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time


                                        when germany knew it would lose.








                                        How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming


                                        slovakia be a roadblock?








                                        Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty


                                        of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?








                                        I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and


                                        plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was


                                        a more heinous form of "theft".








                                        Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking


                                        in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people


                                        trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of


                                        times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.








                                        It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to


                                        foresee future.








                                        I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb








                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                                        -----Original Message-----


                                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58


                                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                                        Lou,





                                        I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.





                                        I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from


                                        "invasion" by Hitler.








                                        Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.








                                        Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only


                                        exported from Slovakia.





                                        Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were


                                        Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.





                                        This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they


                                        could enter the business world.








                                        When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by


                                        hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.





                                        The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist


                                        propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.


                                        Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.





                                        I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.





                                        I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.





                                        My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My


                                        friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,


                                        treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.





                                        In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door


                                        warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young


                                        girls and any valuables.





                                        The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was


                                        raped, while on her death bed.





                                        Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the


                                        Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to


                                        Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was


                                        able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to


                                        escapees from Slovakia.





                                        Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German





                                        government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a


                                        pistol.





                                        Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.





                                        Z Bohom,





                                        Vilo











                                        ________________________________


                                        From: Lou <lou@...>


                                        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM


                                        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also








                                        In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of


                                        "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."


                                        Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,


                                        photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;


                                        Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a


                                        tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the


                                        rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);


                                        978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.


                                        <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.


                                        SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to


                                        your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in





                                        ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.





                                        -----Original Message-----


                                        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On


                                        Behalf Of William C. Wormuth


                                        Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM


                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring





                                        Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You





                                        know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched


                                        his pants drying on the clothes line".


                                        When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best


                                        of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.





                                        Z Bohom,





                                        Vilo





                                        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:





                                        From: genmom4 <geismom@...>


                                        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring


                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM











                                        Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom


                                        here.





                                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:





                                        >





                                        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g





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                                        > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for





                                        >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the


                                        >events in SK?





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