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  • LongJohn Wayne
    I think it is the tone that is most troubling.  While I may not agree w/ certain comments, often times, it is the way certain things are expressed that are
    Message 1 of 57 , Feb 1, 2011
      I think it is the tone that is most troubling.  While I may not agree w/ certain comments, often times, it is the way certain things are expressed that are troublesome.

      Particularly in matters of taste, style or preference.  We all have differing views.  Mine is not 'right' & yours are not 'wrong.'

      Many other blogs, chat lists, or news groups often descend into ridiculous bickering.  I hope it does not happen here.

      btw & slightly OT, I did communicate w/ Martin & he is fine.  To those of you who also expressed some curiosity.


      --- On Tue, 2/1/11, Lubos Brieda <lbrieda@...> wrote:

      From: Lubos Brieda <lbrieda@...>
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] We have a troll!!
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 9:15 AM


      Vlado, despite the fact that Ben was not born in Slovakia, he has learned more

      about the country and its culture than many regular Slovakia born Slovaks.

      Something like that should be cherished, not attacked. As you surely know,

      Slovakia is full of people with very little esteem for their own country. Hence

      I find it really awesome to get to know people like Ben, Helene, Helen, and

      Ivaska, who truly love their birth or adopted country and want to share its

      culture with others.

      Not sure if you know Senzus but their music style is very much identical to

      Ivaska's. They are very popular in Slovakia. People my age don't want to listed

      to traditional music all the day, it's not our style. So I am truly thankful to

      Ivaska and Senzus for bringing these old songs back to the masses.

      -- Lubos Brieda --



      From: Vladimir Linder <vlinder49@...>

      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 3:17:32 PM

      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] folk music question (non-Ivaska)WHO CARES ABOUT

      HIM?? NOT ME

      Robert Puskar is a personal friend of mine since

      1986. He is first a folklorist and folk musician

      and then he went to become a pro. Just for your information.

      You see Ben you may know a little bit about the

      Slovaks culture and folklore but never enough as it is so vast.

      You will also never ever become SLOVAK as to

      really be one you have to born there.

      That is the difference between Americans and

      Slovaks. Ronald Regan while giving a speech to

      university students on one of his trips in Moscow

      said: you can become one of the European nations

      citizen but you will never become a Russian,

      Czech or Slovak, but, I cried when he said, you

      come to America and you become AMERICAN. It still

      brings tears to my eyes as I write it.


      At 05:36 AM 1/31/2011, you wrote:





      >This is a hard question for anyone to answer, and requires some type of

      >background in the theories of ethnomusicology. :-)


      >Folk music in Slovakia, even among folklorists,

      >has many different "styles," if

      >you will--and I don't mean just regional. You have the highly stylized folk

      >like Lucnica and Sluk, which is very much "polished" by classical influences-

      >from tuning to a lessening of "style."Â One

      >should be careful to mark this as

      >"the real thing," because it has a commercial

      >purpose, and is therefore diluted

      >to gain the appreciation of the mass market. Tuning, for example, will be

      >spot-on; the playing is virtuosic, and the use

      >of dialects, while still present,

      >may not (MAY NOT, not WILL NOT) be as pervasive in the text.Â


      >Your other type is not as aesthetically pleasing to the market, but it is

      >normally called "authentic" folklor. This type

      >of folk music may sound at first

      >"out-of-tune."Â The reason for this is not a lack of skill, but a different

      >tuning standard that "equal temperament."Â Here

      >it is all done by the natural

      >harmonic scale, so you have a naturally tempered

      >tuning that is, well, "foreign"

      >to most peoples ears--at first. This type of

      >folklor also uses more stylistic

      >approaches (sharping notes slightly when

      >ascending in scale, flatting them on

      >the way down) as well as more leniency in the

      >tonality of the piece (as far as

      >parallel major and minor).  The way that "Na

      >Kralovej holi" is normally sung is

      >very strict in its tonality, for example, but

      >the Sumiacan folk group will sing

      >it in minor, ending each phrase on the parallel major (known classically as a

      >Picardy third.)Â This type of folklor has a

      >very specific audience today, as it

      >is not as "refined" sounding. However, it is my preferred type of folk. :-)


      >A good example is listening to the fujara playing of Jozef Rybar or Ondrej

      >Mados (authentic) vs. the playing of Robert

      >Puskar (refined). One is not better

      >than the other, but the styles are very different, as are their aims.





      >From: Julie Michutka <<mailto:jmm%40pathbridge.net>jmm@...>

      >To: <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      >Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 8:38:45 PM

      >Subject: [Slovak-World] folk music question (non-Ivaska)



      >On Jan 28, 2011, at 8:18 PM, Vladimir Linder wrote:

      > >

      > > He definitely don't represent the folklore and

      > > folk songs of Slovakia that is there today.


      >So now you have me curious, Vladi, about your take on folk music (and

      >I do not mean specifically about Ivaska). You mention "folk songs of

      >Slovakia that is there today." Are you saying that there is 1) a

      >traditional sort of Slovak folk music and 2) some current folk music

      >(that is somehow different from older "traditional" folk music)? Or

      >are you saying that some people do not sing/play/perform folk music in

      >the traditional way (and you don't care for that non-traditional way)?


      >Julie Michutka



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    • LongJohn Wayne
      Rick: Thank you for this post.  What a delight. Chuck ... From: Rick Sonzella Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: We have a troll!! To:
      Message 57 of 57 , Feb 3, 2011

        Thank you for this post.  What a delight.


        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Rick Sonzella <rson6542@...> wrote:

        From: Rick Sonzella <rson6542@...>
        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: We have a troll!!
        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 4:44 PM


        I am sorry if I missed the gist of this post. But I wanted to interject.. I am not Slovak by birth or descent which makes me kinda sad.. In the trips (2) that I have done to SlovakiaPoprad in particular. I went to meet a friend whom I had been corresponding with for a year online. When I met her family (husband and rest of family) I had been greeted like I was a long lost relative. I was invited to the Grandfathers cottage house for a BBQ and again was treated like part of the family.. I was completely overwhelmed.

        My last day there on the first trip I was souvenir shopping to bring back gifts for my family, we went into a small souvenir shop and my friend explained to the shop keeper that I was from the US and what I was looking for. the shop keeper came out from behind the counter and helped me locate some bells for my mother. After i paid for them the shop keeper dropped into the bag several pictures, post cards, and calenders free of charge. My friend told me that she did that to try to get more Americans over for a visit.

        We had gone to their favorite pub in downtown Poprad (which I can not remember the name of) and my friend's husband told the owner of the pub that I was from America and we got most of our drinks for free that night. (needless to say I was lucky to be able to walk after that night. LOL more like staggered back to my hotel.) My friends made sure every night we went out or even during the day that I made it back to my hotel safe and without incident.

        I was so impressed with Slovakia and its people I am hoping that when I complete my school ( I went back to school for a new career after being unemployed for over a year) I will be able to find a job in or close to Slovakia so I can visit whenever I want to. 1 more year of school left and have all ready several job offers from international companies. So the prospects are good.

        Also Thank You to the owners of this group for allowing me to be a part of it.

        Rick Sonzella

        From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


        Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2011 9:32 AM

        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: We have a troll!!

        Kudos to you, Vilko, for your obvious love of your Slovak Roots.

        I am 7/8 Slovak and have done none of the compassionate works that you have mentioned here in this post. I am certain that those whom you have helped are very grateful.

        My husband and I did help out a cousin of mine when she came to the United States. She ended up marrying an American and lives in the US now.

        We managed to visit with her and her little girl while visiting Slovakia last spring. She was home for a visit at the same time that we were there. This was really kind of funny since it is the first time we have seen her since she married, she only lives about 8 hours from us, and we have to see her in Slovakia! But, when we visited, she mentioned to us how very grateful she was for what we did for her, and that she would never have been able to manage the first trip over if we had not been at the airport to pick her up and help her get settled into her summer job.

        So, you see, you never know how little things that you do may impact the life of someone.

        And, regarding my heritage, there was not one relative whom I met who did not welcome me with open arms and treat me as if I were a fellow Slovak. When it comes down to it, that's really what counts, isn't it?

        Have a great day.



        > although only "1/2" Slovak, I was raised, culturally as a 100%. I have been active in our culture all of my life. I sponsored 6 of our people who left the communist country, sharing my home and pocketbook until they were settled.


        > I began traveling to Slovakia in 1971, brought my mother there 4 times and brought relatives for visits 8 times. I also accompanied 14 of my relatives for visiting "home". My visit last year was my 28th. last visit


        > After the fall of communists, I raised over $1200. for renovating our Church In Kuty. I love my people and boosted them financially, until communism was gone and they were able to subsist on their own.


        > I participated in the annual Slovak cultural celebration until the closing of our church in 2009. I bake Slovak pastry for our people in nursing homes and hospitals for each Easter and Christmas.


        > Eight years ago, I had a Slovak family fro Skalica staying with me for 2 years, until their sons were given the USA citizenship allowed, because their father was naturalized.


        > Seven years ago, I was asked by Joe Hornak to contact a Slovak young man in Albany, NY. I did and he now lives with me. He is an MD and works locally. His family has been here for the past 2 years.


        > I lend my services to help people with their genealogy and have been very successful in my research, a very time consuming process.


        > I have been singing our folk songs since I can remember but now most of my singer friends are gone.


        > That is enough data! The reason for writing this is to finally ask AM I A SLOVAK ?


        > Ja som pysny ze som Slovak!


        > Nech Pan Boh daj Pozehnaj,


        > Vilko


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