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  • Cathie McAdams
    I mailed 2 boxes to Kezmarok in early December.  One reached it s destination before Christmas.  The other was just received last week. On January 14, I
    Message 1 of 23 , Jan 21, 2011
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      I mailed 2 boxes to Kezmarok in early December.  One reached it's destination
      before Christmas.  The other was just received last week.

      On January 14, I received a Christmas card from Poprad that was
      postmarked December 10.
       
      I don't know where the holdup was except that I was concerned that the contents
      of the boxes would be rifled.  I was told that they both arrived intact.
      Cathie McAdams




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    • helene cincebeaux
      Our own Julie Michutka who has helped many of us has begun a new genealogy blog...the first posting is on line - liked what she wrote! Look for it at
      Message 2 of 23 , Jan 21, 2011
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        Our own Julie Michutka who has helped many of us has begun a new genealogy
        blog...the first posting is on line - liked what she wrote!

        Look for it at
        www.SaintCrossUpheaval.blogspot.com/
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      • Julie Michutka
        ... Thank you, Helene! I m glad you liked it; I hope to have fun with it! Julie Michutka jmm@pathbridge.net
        Message 3 of 23 , Jan 23, 2011
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          On Jan 21, 2011, at 8:15 PM, helene cincebeaux wrote:

          > Our own Julie Michutka who has helped many of us has begun a new
          > genealogy
          > blog...the first posting is on line - liked what she wrote!
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          > Look for it at
          > www.SaintCrossUpheaval.blogspot.com/

          Thank you, Helene! I'm glad you liked it; I hope to have fun with it!

          Julie Michutka
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        • James Dubelko
          Julie, You have a good writing style. Stick with the blog! Jim Dubelko ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          Message 4 of 23 , Jan 23, 2011
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            Julie,

            You have a good writing style. Stick with the blog!

            Jim Dubelko

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            > > www.SaintCrossUpheaval.blogspot.com/
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          • Julie Michutka
            ... Thank you, Jim! Julie Michutka jmm@pathbridge.net
            Message 5 of 23 , Jan 23, 2011
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              On Jan 23, 2011, at 1:05 PM, James Dubelko wrote:

              > Julie,
              > You have a good writing style. Stick with the blog!
              > Jim Dubelko


              Thank you, Jim!

              Julie Michutka
              jmm@...
            • LongJohn Wayne
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend.  Were any of you there for this?  Most of the pictures are of
              Message 6 of 23 , Feb 1, 2011
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                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend.  Were any of you there for this?  Most of the pictures are of Prague.  Does anyone have any links of the events in SK?

                chuck















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              • genmom4
                Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.
                Message 7 of 23 , Feb 2, 2011
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                  Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.

                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:
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                • William C. Wormuth
                  Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek , Once I even
                  Message 8 of 23 , Feb 2, 2011
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                    Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  " You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched his pants drying on the clothes line".
                    When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best of everything.  Complaining doesn't change anything.

                    Z Bohom,

                    Vilo

                    --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                    From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM







                     









                    Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.



                    --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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                  • Lou
                    In case you re not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968.
                    Message 9 of 23 , Mar 10, 2011
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                      In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                      Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents, photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938; Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper); 978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc. <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres. SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.
                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                      Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek.  I once met a woman who said:  " You know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched his pants drying on the clothes line".
                      When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best of everything.  Complaining doesn't change anything.

                      Z Bohom,

                      Vilo

                      --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                      From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM







                       









                      Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom here.



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                    • William C. Wormuth
                      Lou, I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso. I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from invasion by Hitler.
                      Message 10 of 23 , Mar 10, 2011
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                        Lou,

                        I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                        I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                        "invasion" by Hitler.


                        Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                        Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                        exported from Slovakia.

                        Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                        Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                        This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                        could enter the business world.


                        When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                        hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                        The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                        propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                        Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                        I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                        I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                        My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                        friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                        treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                        In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                        warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                        girls and any valuables.

                        The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                        raped, while on her death bed.

                        Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                        Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                        Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                        able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                        escapees from Slovakia.

                        Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German
                        government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                        pistol.

                        Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                        Z Bohom,

                        Vilo



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                        From: Lou <lou@...>
                        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                        In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                        "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                        Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                        photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                        Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                        tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                        rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                        978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                        <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                        SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                        your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in
                        ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                        -----Original Message-----
                        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                        Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                        Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                        Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You
                        know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                        his pants drying on the clothes line".
                        When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                        of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                        Z Bohom,

                        Vilo

                        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                        From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                        Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                        here.

                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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                        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

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                        >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                        >events in SK?

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                      • smudsville@yahoo.com
                        In hungary the jews weren t transported north until the end of the war, a time when germany knew it would lose. How does this compare to czechkoslovakian
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                          In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time when germany knew it would lose.

                          How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming slovakia be a roadblock?

                          Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                          I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was a more heinous form of "theft".

                          Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                          It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to foresee future.

                          I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                          Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                          To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                          Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                          Lou,

                          I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                          I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                          "invasion" by Hitler.


                          Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                          Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                          exported from Slovakia.

                          Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                          Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                          This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                          could enter the business world.


                          When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                          hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                          The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                          propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                          Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                          I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                          I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                          My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                          friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                          treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                          In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                          warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                          girls and any valuables.

                          The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                          raped, while on her death bed.

                          Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                          Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                          Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                          able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                          escapees from Slovakia.

                          Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German
                          government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                          pistol.

                          Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                          Z Bohom,

                          Vilo



                          ________________________________
                          From: Lou <lou@...>
                          To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                          Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                          In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                          "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                          Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                          photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                          Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                          tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                          rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                          978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                          <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                          SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                          your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in
                          ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                          Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                          Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                          Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You
                          know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                          his pants drying on the clothes line".
                          When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                          of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                          Z Bohom,

                          Vilo

                          --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                          From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                          Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                          here.

                          --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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                          > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

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                          > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for
                          >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                          >events in SK?

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                        • William C. Wormuth
                          It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
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                            It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                            is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                            These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                            Religions....
                            11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                            6 Million were Jews!

                            Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                            Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






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                            From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                            In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                            when germany knew it would lose.


                            How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                            slovakia be a roadblock?


                            Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty
                            of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                            I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                            plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was
                            a more heinous form of "theft".


                            Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                            in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                            trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                            times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                            It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                            foresee future.


                            I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                            Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                            To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                            Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                            Lou,

                            I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                            I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                            "invasion" by Hitler.


                            Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.


                            Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                            exported from Slovakia.

                            Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                            Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                            This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                            could enter the business world.


                            When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                            hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                            The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                            propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                            Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                            I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                            I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                            My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                            friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                            treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                            In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                            warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                            girls and any valuables.

                            The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                            raped, while on her death bed.

                            Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                            Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                            Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                            able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                            escapees from Slovakia.

                            Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                            government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                            pistol.

                            Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                            Z Bohom,

                            Vilo



                            ________________________________
                            From: Lou <lou@...>
                            To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                            Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                            In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                            "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                            Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                            photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                            Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                            tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                            rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                            978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                            <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                            SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                            your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                            ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                            Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                            Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                            Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                            know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                            his pants drying on the clothes line".
                            When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                            of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                            Z Bohom,

                            Vilo

                            --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                            From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                            Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                            here.

                            --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                            >

                            > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                            >

                            > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                            >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                            >events in SK?

                            >

                            > chuck

                            >

                            >

                            >

                            >

                            >

                            >

                            >

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                          • smudsville@yahoo.com
                            I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such success if that word is accurate.Many times I
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                              I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                              Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                              Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                              Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                              It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                              Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                              I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                              While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                              Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                              I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                              You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                              As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                              I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb
                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                              is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                              These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                              Religions....
                              11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                              6 Million were Jews!

                              Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                              Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






                              ________________________________
                              From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                              In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                              when germany knew it would lose.


                              How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                              slovakia be a roadblock?


                              Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty
                              of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                              I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                              plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was
                              a more heinous form of "theft".


                              Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                              in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                              trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                              times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                              It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                              foresee future.


                              I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                              Lou,

                              I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                              I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                              "invasion" by Hitler.


                              Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.


                              Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                              exported from Slovakia.

                              Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                              Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                              This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                              could enter the business world.


                              When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                              hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                              The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                              propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                              Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                              I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                              I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                              My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                              friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                              treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                              In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                              warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                              girls and any valuables.

                              The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                              raped, while on her death bed.

                              Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                              Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                              Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                              able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                              escapees from Slovakia.

                              Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                              government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                              pistol.

                              Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                              Z Bohom,

                              Vilo



                              ________________________________
                              From: Lou <lou@...>
                              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                              In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                              "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                              Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                              photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                              Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                              tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                              rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                              978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                              <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                              SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                              your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                              ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                              Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                              Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                              know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                              his pants drying on the clothes line".
                              When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                              of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                              Z Bohom,

                              Vilo

                              --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                              From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                              Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                              here.

                              --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                              >

                              > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                              >

                              > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                              >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                              >events in SK?

                              >

                              > chuck

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              >

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                            • William C. Wormuth
                              Please do not confuse the Roma with Romanian, for although there is a very large population in Romania, there is no connection. Roma originated in Northern
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                                Please do not confuse the Roma with Romanian, for although there is a very large
                                population in Romania, there is no connection.

                                Roma originated in Northern India. The history on the following site is good
                                and will fulfill your need to read:

                                http://www.religioustolerance.org/roma.htm

                                Z Bohom,

                                Vilo





                                ________________________________
                                From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Fri, March 11, 2011 1:42:06 AM
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries
                                such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree?
                                If so, why.

                                Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian
                                lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary
                                for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who
                                hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest
                                supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and
                                spiritually more free.

                                Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs.
                                Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to
                                slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a
                                rusyn is not a russian...

                                Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito
                                was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for
                                centuries...

                                I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not
                                quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new
                                socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The
                                humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join
                                take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is
                                happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what
                                hitler did.

                                As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown
                                churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs
                                with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs
                                would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous
                                that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing
                                pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them
                                or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to
                                conquer.

                                I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
                                Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was
                                done...dlb

                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It
                                is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.
                                These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                                Religions....
                                11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                6 Million were Jews!

                                Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                                Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm






                                ________________________________
                                From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time
                                when germany knew it would lose.


                                How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming
                                slovakia be a roadblock?


                                Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?


                                I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                                plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                a more heinous form of "theft".


                                Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking
                                in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people
                                trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of
                                times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.


                                It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to
                                foresee future.


                                I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb


                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                Lou,

                                I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from
                                "invasion" by Hitler.


                                Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only
                                exported from Slovakia.

                                Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were
                                Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they
                                could enter the business world.


                                When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by
                                hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist
                                propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                                Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My
                                friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                                treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door
                                warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young
                                girls and any valuables.

                                The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was
                                raped, while on her death bed.

                                Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the
                                Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to
                                Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was
                                able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to
                                escapees from Slovakia.

                                Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German


                                government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a
                                pistol.

                                Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                Z Bohom,

                                Vilo



                                ________________________________
                                From: Lou <lou@...>
                                To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                                Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also


                                In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of
                                "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."
                                Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,
                                photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                                Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a
                                tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the
                                rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                                978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                                <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.
                                SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to
                                your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in


                                ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                                Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                                Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You


                                know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched
                                his pants drying on the clothes line".
                                When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best
                                of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                Z Bohom,

                                Vilo

                                --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                From: genmom4 <geismom@...>
                                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom
                                here.

                                --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                                >

                                > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                >

                                > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for


                                >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the
                                >events in SK?

                                >

                                > chuck

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

                                >

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                              • LongJohn Wayne
                                What an incredible post.  Don t know where to start. ... From: smudsville@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see
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                                  What an incredible post.  Don't know where to start.

                                  --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                  From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM







                                   











                                  I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                  Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                  Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                  Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                  It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                  Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                  I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                  While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                  Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                  I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                  You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                  As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                  I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb


                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                                  -----Original Message-----


                                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16


                                  To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                  Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                                  It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It


                                  is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.


                                  These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various


                                  Religions....


                                  11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!





                                  6 Million were Jews!





                                  Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust


                                  Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm




















                                  ________________________________


                                  From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>


                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM


                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also











                                  In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time


                                  when germany knew it would lose.








                                  How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming


                                  slovakia be a roadblock?








                                  Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty


                                  of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?








                                  I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and


                                  plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was


                                  a more heinous form of "theft".








                                  Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking


                                  in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people


                                  trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of


                                  times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.








                                  It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to


                                  foresee future.








                                  I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb








                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





                                  -----Original Message-----


                                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58


                                  To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                  Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                                  Lou,





                                  I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.





                                  I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from


                                  "invasion" by Hitler.








                                  Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.








                                  Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only


                                  exported from Slovakia.





                                  Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were


                                  Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.





                                  This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they


                                  could enter the business world.








                                  When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by


                                  hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.





                                  The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist


                                  propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.


                                  Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.





                                  I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.





                                  I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.





                                  My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My


                                  friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,


                                  treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.





                                  In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door


                                  warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young


                                  girls and any valuables.





                                  The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was


                                  raped, while on her death bed.





                                  Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the


                                  Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to


                                  Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was


                                  able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to


                                  escapees from Slovakia.





                                  Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German





                                  government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a


                                  pistol.





                                  Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.





                                  Z Bohom,





                                  Vilo











                                  ________________________________


                                  From: Lou <lou@...>


                                  To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>


                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM


                                  Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also








                                  In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of


                                  "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."


                                  Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,


                                  photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;


                                  Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a


                                  tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the


                                  rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);


                                  978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.


                                  <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.


                                  SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to


                                  your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in





                                  ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.





                                  -----Original Message-----


                                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On


                                  Behalf Of William C. Wormuth


                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM


                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring





                                  Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You





                                  know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched


                                  his pants drying on the clothes line".


                                  When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best


                                  of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.





                                  Z Bohom,





                                  Vilo





                                  --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:





                                  From: genmom4 <geismom@...>


                                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring


                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                  Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM











                                  Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom


                                  here.





                                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:





                                  >





                                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g





                                  >





                                  > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for





                                  >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the


                                  >events in SK?





                                  >





                                  > chuck





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                                    On 3/15/2011 1:05 PM, LongJohn Wayne wrote:
                                    >
                                    > What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.
                                    >
                                    > --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@...
                                    > <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com> <smudsville@...
                                    > <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > From: smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>
                                    > <smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>>
                                    > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy
                                    > that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is
                                    > accurate.
                                    >
                                    > Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do
                                    > you agree? If so, why.
                                    >
                                    > Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back
                                    > romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did,
                                    > shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I
                                    > work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't
                                    > understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself
                                    > "in the barrel."
                                    >
                                    > Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.
                                    >
                                    > It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated
                                    > and spiritually more free.
                                    >
                                    > Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.
                                    >
                                    > I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak
                                    > listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their
                                    > wwII past.
                                    >
                                    > While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to
                                    > slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in,
                                    > unless a rusyn is not a russian...
                                    >
                                    > Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way
                                    > as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european
                                    > conquerors did for centuries...
                                    >
                                    > I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but
                                    > am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are
                                    > fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship
                                    > or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent
                                    > themselves to be.
                                    >
                                    > You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If
                                    > you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing
                                    > listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is
                                    > little different than what hitler did.
                                    >
                                    > As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like
                                    > allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa
                                    > legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even
                                    > allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders.
                                    > While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never
                                    > happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet
                                    > privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to
                                    > them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make
                                    > themselves easier to conquer.
                                    >
                                    > I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the
                                    > same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in
                                    > how it was done...dlb
                                    >
                                    > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    >
                                    > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@... <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>>
                                    >
                                    > Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16
                                    >
                                    > To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                    >
                                    > Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    >
                                    > It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the
                                    > Holocaust. It
                                    >
                                    > is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were
                                    > slaughtered.
                                    >
                                    > These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various
                                    >
                                    > Religions....
                                    >
                                    > 11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!
                                    >
                                    > 6 Million were Jews!
                                    >
                                    > Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust
                                    >
                                    > Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    >
                                    > From: "smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>"
                                    > <smudsville@... <mailto:smudsville%40yahoo.com>>
                                    >
                                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM
                                    >
                                    > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    >
                                    > In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the
                                    > war, a time
                                    >
                                    > when germany knew it would lose.
                                    >
                                    > How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would
                                    > forming
                                    >
                                    > slovakia be a roadblock?
                                    >
                                    > Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed
                                    > by treaty
                                    >
                                    > of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected
                                    > and how?
                                    >
                                    > I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and
                                    >
                                    > plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in
                                    > the war was
                                    >
                                    > a more heinous form of "theft".
                                    >
                                    > Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the
                                    > outside looking
                                    >
                                    > in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather
                                    > people
                                    >
                                    > trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most
                                    > trying of
                                    >
                                    > times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.
                                    >
                                    > It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the
                                    > ability to
                                    >
                                    > foresee future.
                                    >
                                    > I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb
                                    >
                                    > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    >
                                    > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@... <mailto:senzus%40ymail.com>>
                                    >
                                    > Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58
                                    >
                                    > To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                    >
                                    > Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    >
                                    > Lou,
                                    >
                                    > I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.
                                    >
                                    > I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia
                                    > from
                                    >
                                    > "invasion" by Hitler.
                                    >
                                    > Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during
                                    > the reign.
                                    >
                                    > Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered
                                    > but only
                                    >
                                    > exported from Slovakia.
                                    >
                                    > Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations
                                    > were
                                    >
                                    > Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.
                                    >
                                    > This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally
                                    > they
                                    >
                                    > could enter the business world.
                                    >
                                    > When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the
                                    > responded by
                                    >
                                    > hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.
                                    >
                                    > The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso ,
                                    > communist
                                    >
                                    > propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.
                                    >
                                    > Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad "
                                    > he was.
                                    >
                                    > I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.
                                    >
                                    > I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.
                                    >
                                    > My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very
                                    > negative. My
                                    >
                                    > friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,
                                    >
                                    > treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own
                                    > towns.
                                    >
                                    > In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went
                                    > door, to door
                                    >
                                    > warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide
                                    > their young
                                    >
                                    > girls and any valuables.
                                    >
                                    > The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins
                                    > grandmother was
                                    >
                                    > raped, while on her death bed.
                                    >
                                    > Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating
                                    > to the
                                    >
                                    > Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was
                                    > secretary to
                                    >
                                    > Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he
                                    > was
                                    >
                                    > able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he
                                    > administered to
                                    >
                                    > escapees from Slovakia.
                                    >
                                    > Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to
                                    > the German
                                    >
                                    > government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies,
                                    > holding a
                                    >
                                    > pistol.
                                    >
                                    > Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.
                                    >
                                    > Z Bohom,
                                    >
                                    > Vilo
                                    >
                                    > ________________________________
                                    >
                                    > From: Lou <lou@... <mailto:lou%40bolchazy.com>>
                                    >
                                    > To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>>
                                    >
                                    > Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM
                                    >
                                    > Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                    >
                                    > In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the
                                    > publisher of
                                    >
                                    > "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA,
                                    > 1968."
                                    >
                                    > Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new
                                    > documents,
                                    >
                                    > photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;
                                    >
                                    > Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia.
                                    > It's a
                                    >
                                    > tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords,
                                    > while the
                                    >
                                    > rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);
                                    >
                                    > 978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.
                                    >
                                    > <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy,
                                    > Pres.
                                    >
                                    > SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this
                                    > book to
                                    >
                                    > your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK
                                    > BOOKS in
                                    >
                                    > ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.
                                    >
                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    >
                                    > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    > [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>] On
                                    >
                                    > Behalf Of William C. Wormuth
                                    >
                                    > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM
                                    >
                                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                                    >
                                    > Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who
                                    > said: " You
                                    >
                                    > know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I
                                    > even touched
                                    >
                                    > his pants drying on the clothes line".
                                    >
                                    > When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make
                                    > the best
                                    >
                                    > of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.
                                    >
                                    > Z Bohom,
                                    >
                                    > Vilo
                                    >
                                    > --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...
                                    > <mailto:geismom%40comcast.net>> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > From: genmom4 <geismom@... <mailto:geismom%40comcast.net>>
                                    >
                                    > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring
                                    >
                                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                                    >
                                    > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM
                                    >
                                    > Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my
                                    > freedom
                                    >
                                    > here.
                                    >
                                    > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                    > <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>, LongJohn Wayne
                                    > <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you
                                    > there for
                                    >
                                    > >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links
                                    > of the
                                    >
                                    > >events in SK?
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > > chuck
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
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                                    > >
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                                  • LongJohn Wayne
                                    Isn t that what this site is all about?  Comments, questions, & responses? Are you well, Jack? ... From: Gergely Subject: Re:
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                                      Isn't that what this site is all about?  Comments, questions, & responses?

                                      Are you well, Jack?

                                      --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                      From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM







                                       









                                      Why bother?

                                      Jack gergely

                                      Newport News

                                      ----- Original Message -----

                                      From: LongJohn Wayne

                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                      Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                                      --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                                      From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                      Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                      I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                      Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                      Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                      Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                      It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                      Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                      I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                      While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                      Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                      I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                      You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                      As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                      I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



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                                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                                      To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                      Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                                      is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                                      These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                                      Religions....



                                      11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                                      6 Million were Jews!



                                      Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                                      Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                                      ________________________________



                                      From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                                      when germany knew it would lose.



                                      How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                                      slovakia be a roadblock?



                                      Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                                      of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                                      I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                                      plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                                      a more heinous form of "theft".



                                      Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                                      in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                                      trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                                      times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                                      It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                                      foresee future.



                                      I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



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                                      From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                      Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



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                                      Lou,



                                      I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                                      I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                                      "invasion" by Hitler.



                                      Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                      Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                                      exported from Slovakia.



                                      Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                                      Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                                      This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                                      could enter the business world.



                                      When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                                      hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                                      The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                                      propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                                      Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                                      I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                                      I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                                      My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                                      friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                                      treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                                      In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                                      warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                                      girls and any valuables.



                                      The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                                      raped, while on her death bed.



                                      Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                                      Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                                      Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                                      able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                                      escapees from Slovakia.



                                      Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                                      government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                                      pistol.



                                      Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                                      Z Bohom,



                                      Vilo



                                      ________________________________



                                      From: Lou <lou@...>



                                      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                      Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                                      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                      In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                                      "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                                      Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                                      photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                                      Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                                      tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                                      rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                                      978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                                      <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                                      SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                                      your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                                      ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



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                                      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                                      Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                                      Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                      Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                                      know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                                      his pants drying on the clothes line".



                                      When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                                      of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                                      Z Bohom,



                                      Vilo



                                      --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



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                                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                      Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                      Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                                      here.



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                                      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



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                                      > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                                      >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                                      >events in SK?



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                                      > chuck



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                                    • Gergely
                                      Why bother? Jack gergely Newport News ... From: LongJohn Wayne To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: Re:
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                                        Why bother?
                                        Jack gergely
                                        Newport News
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: LongJohn Wayne
                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                        What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                                        --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                        From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                        I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                        Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                                        Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                        Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                        It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                                        Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                        I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                        While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                                        Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                                        I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                        You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                                        As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                                        I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                        It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                                        is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                                        These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                                        Religions....

                                        11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                        6 Million were Jews!

                                        Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                                        Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                                        ________________________________

                                        From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                        In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                                        when germany knew it would lose.

                                        How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                                        slovakia be a roadblock?

                                        Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                        of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                                        I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                                        plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                        a more heinous form of "theft".

                                        Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                                        in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                                        trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                                        times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                                        It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                                        foresee future.

                                        I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                                        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                        Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                                        To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                        Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                        Lou,

                                        I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                        I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                                        "invasion" by Hitler.

                                        Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                                        Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                                        exported from Slovakia.

                                        Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                                        Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                        This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                                        could enter the business world.

                                        When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                                        hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                        The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                                        propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                                        Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                        I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                        I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                        My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                                        friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                                        treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                        In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                                        warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                                        girls and any valuables.

                                        The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                                        raped, while on her death bed.

                                        Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                                        Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                                        Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                                        able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                                        escapees from Slovakia.

                                        Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                                        government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                                        pistol.

                                        Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                        Z Bohom,

                                        Vilo

                                        ________________________________

                                        From: Lou <lou@...>

                                        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                        Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                                        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                        In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                                        "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                                        Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                                        photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                                        Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                                        tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                                        rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                                        978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                                        <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                                        SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                                        your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                                        ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                        -----Original Message-----

                                        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                                        Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                                        Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                        Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                                        know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                                        his pants drying on the clothes line".

                                        When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                                        of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                        Z Bohom,

                                        Vilo

                                        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                        From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                                        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                                        Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                                        here.

                                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                                        >

                                        > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                        >

                                        > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                                        >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                                        >events in SK?

                                        >

                                        > chuck

                                        >

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                                      • Gergely
                                        Yeah, I m Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn t make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better. Jack Gergely Newport News ...
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                                          Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.
                                          Jack Gergely
                                          Newport News
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: LongJohn Wayne
                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                          Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?

                                          Are you well, Jack?

                                          --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                          From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                          Why bother?

                                          Jack gergely

                                          Newport News

                                          ----- Original Message -----

                                          From: LongJohn Wayne

                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                                          --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                          From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM

                                          I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                          Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                                          Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                          Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                          It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                                          Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                          I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                          While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                                          Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                                          I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                          You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                                          As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                                          I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                          -----Original Message-----

                                          From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                          Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                                          To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                          Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                                          is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                                          These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                                          Religions....

                                          11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                          6 Million were Jews!

                                          Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                                          Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                                          ________________________________

                                          From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                                          when germany knew it would lose.

                                          How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                                          slovakia be a roadblock?

                                          Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                          of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                                          I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                                          plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                          a more heinous form of "theft".

                                          Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                                          in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                                          trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                                          times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                                          It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                                          foresee future.

                                          I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                                          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                          -----Original Message-----

                                          From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                          Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                                          To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                          Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          Lou,

                                          I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                          I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                                          "invasion" by Hitler.

                                          Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                                          Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                                          exported from Slovakia.

                                          Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                                          Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                          This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                                          could enter the business world.

                                          When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                                          hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                          The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                                          propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                                          Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                          I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                          I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                          My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                                          friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                                          treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                          In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                                          warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                                          girls and any valuables.

                                          The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                                          raped, while on her death bed.

                                          Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                                          Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                                          Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                                          able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                                          escapees from Slovakia.

                                          Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                                          government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                                          pistol.

                                          Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                          Z Bohom,

                                          Vilo

                                          ________________________________

                                          From: Lou <lou@...>

                                          To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                          Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                                          Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                          In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                                          "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                                          Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                                          photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                                          Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                                          tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                                          rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                                          978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                                          <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                                          SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                                          your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                                          ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                          -----Original Message-----

                                          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                                          Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                                          Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                          Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                                          know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                                          his pants drying on the clothes line".

                                          When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                                          of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                          Z Bohom,

                                          Vilo

                                          --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                          From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                                          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                          Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                                          Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                                          here.

                                          --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

                                          >

                                          > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                          >

                                          > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                                          >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                                          >events in SK?

                                          >

                                          > chuck

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                                        • LongJohn Wayne
                                          That s what I mean.  We could each go off on a tangent. ... From: Gergely Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also To:
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                                            That's what I mean.  We could each go off on a tangent.

                                            --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                            From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM







                                             









                                            Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.

                                            Jack Gergely

                                            Newport News

                                            ----- Original Message -----

                                            From: LongJohn Wayne

                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                            Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM

                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?



                                            Are you well, Jack?



                                            --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                            From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                            Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                            Why bother?



                                            Jack gergely



                                            Newport News



                                            ----- Original Message -----



                                            From: LongJohn Wayne



                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                                            --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                                            From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                            I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                            Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                            Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                            Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                            It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                            Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                            I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                            While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                            Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                            I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                            You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                            As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                            I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                            -----Original Message-----



                                            From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                            Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                                            To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                            Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                                            is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                                            These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                                            Religions....



                                            11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                                            6 Million were Jews!



                                            Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                                            Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                                            ________________________________



                                            From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                                            when germany knew it would lose.



                                            How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                                            slovakia be a roadblock?



                                            Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                                            of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                                            I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                                            plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                                            a more heinous form of "theft".



                                            Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                                            in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                                            trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                                            times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                                            It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                                            foresee future.



                                            I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



                                            Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                            -----Original Message-----



                                            From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                            Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



                                            To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                            Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            Lou,



                                            I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                                            I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                                            "invasion" by Hitler.



                                            Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                            Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                                            exported from Slovakia.



                                            Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                                            Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                                            This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                                            could enter the business world.



                                            When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                                            hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                                            The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                                            propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                                            Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                                            I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                                            I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                                            My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                                            friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                                            treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                                            In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                                            warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                                            girls and any valuables.



                                            The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                                            raped, while on her death bed.



                                            Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                                            Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                                            Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                                            able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                                            escapees from Slovakia.



                                            Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                                            government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                                            pistol.



                                            Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                                            Z Bohom,



                                            Vilo



                                            ________________________________



                                            From: Lou <lou@...>



                                            To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                            Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                                            Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                            In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                                            "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                                            Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                                            photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                                            Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                                            tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                                            rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                                            978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                                            <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                                            SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                                            your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                                            ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



                                            -----Original Message-----



                                            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                                            Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                                            Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                            Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                                            know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                                            his pants drying on the clothes line".



                                            When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                                            of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                                            Z Bohom,



                                            Vilo



                                            --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



                                            From: genmom4 <geismom@...>



                                            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                            Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                            Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                                            here.



                                            --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:



                                            >



                                            > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



                                            >



                                            > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                                            >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                                            >events in SK?



                                            >



                                            > chuck



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                                            Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy. My apologies to Mr. Smudsville. Jack Gergely ... From: LongJohn Wayne To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                            Message 21 of 23 , Mar 15, 2011
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                                              Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy.
                                              My apologies to Mr. Smudsville.

                                              Jack Gergely
                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: LongJohn Wayne
                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                              That's what I mean. We could each go off on a tangent.

                                              --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                              From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM



                                              Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.

                                              Jack Gergely

                                              Newport News

                                              ----- Original Message -----

                                              From: LongJohn Wayne

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?

                                              Are you well, Jack?

                                              --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                              From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM

                                              Why bother?

                                              Jack gergely

                                              Newport News

                                              ----- Original Message -----

                                              From: LongJohn Wayne

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.

                                              --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                              From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM

                                              I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.

                                              Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.

                                              Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."

                                              Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.

                                              It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.

                                              Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.

                                              I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.

                                              While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...

                                              Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...

                                              I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.

                                              You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.

                                              As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.

                                              I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb

                                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                              -----Original Message-----

                                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16

                                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It

                                              is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.

                                              These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various

                                              Religions....

                                              11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!

                                              6 Million were Jews!

                                              Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust

                                              Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm

                                              ________________________________

                                              From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time

                                              when germany knew it would lose.

                                              How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming

                                              slovakia be a roadblock?

                                              Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty

                                              of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?

                                              I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and

                                              plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was

                                              a more heinous form of "theft".

                                              Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking

                                              in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people

                                              trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of

                                              times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.

                                              It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to

                                              foresee future.

                                              I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb

                                              Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

                                              -----Original Message-----

                                              From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>

                                              Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58

                                              To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                              Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              Lou,

                                              I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.

                                              I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from

                                              "invasion" by Hitler.

                                              Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.

                                              Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only

                                              exported from Slovakia.

                                              Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were

                                              Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.

                                              This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they

                                              could enter the business world.

                                              When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by

                                              hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.

                                              The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist

                                              propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.

                                              Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.

                                              I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.

                                              I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.

                                              My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My

                                              friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,

                                              treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.

                                              In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door

                                              warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young

                                              girls and any valuables.

                                              The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was

                                              raped, while on her death bed.

                                              Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the

                                              Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to

                                              Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was

                                              able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to

                                              escapees from Slovakia.

                                              Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German

                                              government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a

                                              pistol.

                                              Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.

                                              Z Bohom,

                                              Vilo

                                              ________________________________

                                              From: Lou <lou@...>

                                              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

                                              Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM

                                              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                              In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of

                                              "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."

                                              Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,

                                              photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;

                                              Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a

                                              tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the

                                              rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);

                                              978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.

                                              <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.

                                              SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to

                                              your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in

                                              ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.

                                              -----Original Message-----

                                              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On

                                              Behalf Of William C. Wormuth

                                              Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                              Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You

                                              know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched

                                              his pants drying on the clothes line".

                                              When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best

                                              of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.

                                              Z Bohom,

                                              Vilo

                                              --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:

                                              From: genmom4 <geismom@...>

                                              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring

                                              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                              Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM

                                              Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom

                                              here.

                                              --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:

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                                              > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g

                                              >

                                              > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for

                                              >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the

                                              >events in SK?

                                              >

                                              > chuck

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                                            • LongJohn Wayne
                                              Not that bad.  Just not your usual congenial self. ... From: Gergely Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also To:
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                                                Not that bad.  Just not your usual congenial self.

                                                --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:

                                                From: Gergely <gergely@...>
                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 2:29 PM







                                                 









                                                Yeah, I guess I did go a little V Linder on the guy.

                                                My apologies to Mr. Smudsville.



                                                Jack Gergely

                                                ----- Original Message -----

                                                From: LongJohn Wayne

                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                                Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:19 PM

                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                That's what I mean. We could each go off on a tangent.



                                                --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                                From: Gergely <gergely@...>

                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also

                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

                                                Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:52 PM



                                                Yeah, I'm Ok, but it was so rambling with so many subjects, I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. Maybe you can do better.



                                                Jack Gergely



                                                Newport News



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                                                From: LongJohn Wayne



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:37 PM



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                Isn't that what this site is all about? Comments, questions, & responses?



                                                Are you well, Jack?



                                                --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Gergely <gergely@...> wrote:



                                                From: Gergely <gergely@...>



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 1:38 PM



                                                Why bother?



                                                Jack gergely



                                                Newport News



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                                                From: LongJohn Wayne



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:05 PM



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                What an incredible post. Don't know where to start.



                                                --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:



                                                From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM



                                                I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                                Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                                Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                                Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                                It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                                Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                                I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                                While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                                Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                                I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                                You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                                As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                                I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb



                                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                                -----Original Message-----



                                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16



                                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It



                                                is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.



                                                These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various



                                                Religions....



                                                11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!



                                                6 Million were Jews!



                                                Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust



                                                Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm



                                                ________________________________



                                                From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time



                                                when germany knew it would lose.



                                                How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming



                                                slovakia be a roadblock?



                                                Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty



                                                of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?



                                                I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and



                                                plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was



                                                a more heinous form of "theft".



                                                Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking



                                                in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people



                                                trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of



                                                times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.



                                                It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to



                                                foresee future.



                                                I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb



                                                Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



                                                -----Original Message-----



                                                From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>



                                                Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58



                                                To: <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                                Reply-To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                Lou,



                                                I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



                                                I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from



                                                "invasion" by Hitler.



                                                Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.



                                                Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only



                                                exported from Slovakia.



                                                Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were



                                                Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.



                                                This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they



                                                could enter the business world.



                                                When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by



                                                hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.



                                                The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist



                                                propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.



                                                Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.



                                                I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.



                                                I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.



                                                My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My



                                                friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,



                                                treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.



                                                In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door



                                                warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young



                                                girls and any valuables.



                                                The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was



                                                raped, while on her death bed.



                                                Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the



                                                Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to



                                                Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was



                                                able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to



                                                escapees from Slovakia.



                                                Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German



                                                government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a



                                                pistol.



                                                Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.



                                                Z Bohom,



                                                Vilo



                                                ________________________________



                                                From: Lou <lou@...>



                                                To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



                                                Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM



                                                Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also



                                                In case you're not aware: I have the pleasure and honor to be the publisher of



                                                "The PRAGUE SPRING and the WARSAW PACT: INVASION of CZECHOSLOVAKIA, 1968."



                                                Editesd by Prof. M. Mark Stolarik; 16 scholorly papers, based on new documents,



                                                photographs. {The world allowed Hitler to invade Czechoslovakia in 1938;



                                                Forty years later, the world allowed Russia to invade Czechoslovakia. It's a



                                                tragedy that our globe is still allowed to be controlled by warlords, while the



                                                rest of us citicens is passive. ISBN 978-0-86516-751-3 (Paper);



                                                978-0-86516-757-5 (Hardback); Amazon; Bolchazy-Carducci Publisherts, Inc.



                                                <www.bolchazy.com> Srdecne a dovidenia, Ladislaus J. (Laci) Bolchazy, Pres.



                                                SLOVAK-AMERICAN IMTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION, Inc Present this book to



                                                your institutional library or to your political representative. SLOVAK BOOKS in



                                                ENGLISH: OUR BEST AMBASSADORS to the WORLD.



                                                -----Original Message-----



                                                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On



                                                Behalf Of William C. Wormuth



                                                Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                                Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You



                                                know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched



                                                his pants drying on the clothes line".



                                                When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best



                                                of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.



                                                Z Bohom,



                                                Vilo



                                                --- On Wed, 2/2/11, genmom4 <geismom@...> wrote:



                                                From: genmom4 <geismom@...>



                                                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring



                                                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



                                                Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM



                                                Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom



                                                here.



                                                --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:



                                                >



                                                > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g



                                                >



                                                > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for



                                                >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the



                                                >events in SK?



                                                >



                                                > chuck



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                                              • LongJohn Wayne
                                                Which ideology?  What is its bias? Yes, WWII in many ways was a continuation of WWI:  The elimination of monarchies.  Unstable in WWI & even the stable in
                                                Message 23 of 23 , Mar 18, 2011
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                                                  Which ideology?  What is its bias?

                                                  Yes, WWII in many ways was a continuation of WWI:  The elimination of monarchies.  Unstable in WWI & even the stable in WWII.  In other ways it was different.   Slovakia, like much of the rest of Europe was tossed upon the waves, with border lines drawn by others.

                                                  I don't understand the 'Barrell' reference or the Rom question, exactly.

                                                  One thing the Intelligentsia has in common w/ Rom gypsies is that it is a symbiotic relationship.  Each is dependent upon the other, in many respects. I'm sure there are others similarities, dependencies etc.  But we are barely on topic here for this group. 

                                                  I had understood Rusyns to be different & distinct from Russians.  Perhaps I have made an erroneous assumption. 

                                                  Was Tito's blood drunk by his executioners?  I did not know that.  I don't see how it would help us in the here & now if it had been done.  Mussolini & Cecescu did not fare very well either.

                                                  Not sure what to make of the rest.  I eat cows, chickens & pigs on occasion.

                                                  What is the main point here?  And what exactly does any of this have to do w/ the Prague Spring?

                                                  Chuck

                                                  --- On Fri, 3/11/11, smudsville@... <smudsville@...> wrote:

                                                  From: smudsville@... <smudsville@...>
                                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also
                                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 1:42 AM







                                                   











                                                  I am amazed and still puzzled that in six years (33-39)an idealogy that carries such a bias, could have such "success" if that word is accurate.



                                                  Many times I have read that wwII was basically a wwI continuation. Do you agree? If so, why.



                                                  Don't get why rom gypsies would be singled out if germany gave back romanian lands to hungary in 39. If they were and if the germans did, shame on hungary for not realizing they were the next logical step. I work with a young lady who hangs with a gossip group and can't understand why she was their greatest supporter and now finds herself "in the barrel."



                                                  Don't get what the "intelligentsia" have in common with rom gypsies.



                                                  It appears that hitler was threatened by those who were more educated and spiritually more free.



                                                  Thank you for providing the nazi link. I am an obsessive reader.



                                                  I have noticed that no identified germanics ever write in to slovak listservs. Have to wonder how current german cultures feel about their wwII past.



                                                  While it appears that russian occupation was equally destructive to slovak/hungarian cultures in other ways, I do see russians writing in, unless a rusyn is not a russian...



                                                  Personally, I think hitler should have been destroyed in the same way as tito was or the survivors literally drank his blood as european conquerors did for centuries...



                                                  I would like to think that such a thing could never happen again, but am not quite that naïve. Even today the Animal Rights people are fashioning a new socialist world devoid of animals for companionship or service or food. The humane society is NOT what they represent themselves to be.



                                                  You can watch todays holocaust of our pets on pet-law@yahoogroups. If you join take it in digest, it is a very prolific and disturbing listserv. What is happening in the us for pets, especially dogs, is little different than what hitler did.



                                                  As to AR, pennsylvania is a leader in obtuse ideocracy just like allentown churches. Just a year ago there was a bill before the pa legislature that dogs with docked tails and cropped ears were not even allowed to travel thru pa. Dogs would be confiscated at pa borders. While seeming preposterous and so ridiculous that it could never happen, it can. Ar is highly funded and focused on removing pet privileges whilst their future victims either think it can't happen to them or are so busy squabbling amongst themselves, they make themselves easier to conquer.



                                                  I have this saying that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hitler is no different in his chosen path, just more cruel in how it was done...dlb


                                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





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                                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:37:16


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                                                  It is often forgotten that Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. It


                                                  is very seldom mentioned that an estimated 5 million non Jews were slaughtered.


                                                  These were by various nationality, very ill, homosexual, Romi, Various


                                                  Religions....


                                                  11 MILLION PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST!





                                                  6 Million were Jews!





                                                  Who Were the Five Million Non-Jewish Holocaust


                                                  Victims?http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/non-jewishvictims.htm




















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                                                  From: "smudsville@..." <smudsville@...>


                                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:25:29 PM


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                                                  In hungary the jews weren't transported north until the end of the war, a time


                                                  when germany knew it would lose.








                                                  How does this compare to czechkoslovakian deportation and why would forming


                                                  slovakia be a roadblock?








                                                  Since germany rewarded hungary as an ally by giving back lands removed by treaty


                                                  of trianon 1920, how much of czech rep and slovakia land was affected and how?








                                                  I have read the "gold train" which is little different from pillage and


                                                  plunder...or deportation since to kill so many, so late as losers in the war was


                                                  a more heinous form of "theft".








                                                  Can you also explain the term "war criminal". As someone on the outside looking


                                                  in, many persecuted as war criminals appear more as victims or rather people


                                                  trying to survive under the most horrific of circumstances and most trying of


                                                  times be they german, polish, czech, slovak or hungarian.








                                                  It's not like people have a choice to the communities born to or the ability to


                                                  foresee future.








                                                  I hope my message comes across as being respectful....dlb








                                                  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry





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                                                  From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>


                                                  Sender: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                                  Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:20:58


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                                                  Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring: see also





                                                  Lou,





                                                  I am one who agrees wholly with Monsignor Jozef Tiso.





                                                  I believe that he formed the Slovak republik in order to save Slovakia from


                                                  "invasion" by Hitler.








                                                  Much was accomplished in improving the infrastructure an other during the reign.








                                                  Monsignor, Tiso was not aware of the fact that Jews would be murdered but only


                                                  exported from Slovakia.





                                                  Most Americans are not aware of the fact that most business operations were


                                                  Jewish, a leftover from the Hungarian rule.





                                                  This is why ordinary citizens did not protest, believing that finally they


                                                  could enter the business world.








                                                  When they did find that the Nazi regime was killing them, the responded by


                                                  hiding Jews, at the risk of facing Nazi German firing squad.





                                                  The film Obchod na Korze, (Shop on Main Street), was an anti Tiso , communist


                                                  propaganda toll but many true facts were in the film.


                                                  Hanging Tiso was also a tool of communists, to show people how "Bad " he was.





                                                  I consider Monsignor Tiso to be a Martyr for the Slovak people.





                                                  I mourn the loss of Czech people during that trying time.





                                                  My thoughts concerning the first Cechoslovak Republik are very negative. My


                                                  friends and family related to me how very prjudicial against our people,


                                                  treating them as second class citizenry, unable to govern there own towns.





                                                  In Kúty, when the German Solders were about to retreat, they went door, to door


                                                  warning the people that the Soviet forces were coming and to hide their young


                                                  girls and any valuables.





                                                  The first wave were Mongolian, uneducated soldiers. My cousins grandmother was


                                                  raped, while on her death bed.





                                                  Our Assistant Pastor here in Johnstown, NY, (and later administrating to the


                                                  Sisters if Sts. Cyril and Methodius), Father Augustin Zan, was secretary to


                                                  Monsignor Tiso. When communists took over, the people hid him until he was


                                                  able, (with the peoples help), to escape to Germany where he administered to


                                                  escapees from Slovakia.





                                                  Communists tried to have him arrested as a "war criminal" and sent to the German





                                                  government a doctored Photograph of Fr. Zan. standing amid bodies, holding a


                                                  pistol.





                                                  Father was First a Priest and Second, a True Slovak God Rest His Soul.





                                                  Z Bohom,





                                                  Vilo











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                                                  From: Lou <lou@...>


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                                                  Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 6:02:18 PM


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                                                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On


                                                  Behalf Of William C. Wormuth


                                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:32 AM


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                                                  Slovaks greatly respected Alexander Dubcek. I once met a woman who said: " You





                                                  know, Vilo, I live in the same apartment house as Dubcek", "Once I even touched


                                                  his pants drying on the clothes line".


                                                  When you live under the circumstances our people had, you simply make the best


                                                  of everything. Complaining doesn't change anything.





                                                  Z Bohom,





                                                  Vilo





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                                                  From: genmom4 <geismom@...>


                                                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Prague Spring


                                                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


                                                  Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 9:20 AM











                                                  Thanks for posting this, Chuck. It certainly makes me appreciate my freedom


                                                  here.





                                                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, LongJohn Wayne <daxthewarrior@...> wrote:





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                                                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbbxw3To02g





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                                                  > Not sure if I got this here or from a Czech friend. Were any of you there for





                                                  >this? Most of the pictures are of Prague. Does anyone have any links of the


                                                  >events in SK?





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