RE: [Slovak-World] Frank goes west
- Hi Joe,
Martin is the best one to ask, of course (and I envy him!!!) BUT, what I know just from living there and doing folklor and having a wife who beats me "slovencinou" :-)
The zlatovka (zlatowka) sound is a result of assimilation, and is not only central Slovak, but-as Slovak codefied by Stur based on these dialects- also pure, standard Slovak. I would reference the word for soup- polievka (poliewka sound) This "zlatofka" sound is very Saris/Spis/Zemplin (and Czech!). Zlatufka would NOT surprise me very much, as it always seemed to me that the eastern dialects picked up some Polish- especially Saris/Spis.
I have had Babka make me poliefka, pour a kapurkova (last shot/drink) etc... but in Ocova, it would be polieuka (phonetically spelt) and they pour gangova. :-D
I am sure, though, that Martin will be able to get you a better answer- as I fear slovak grammar. :-D Even if I use it every day, I am NOT one who is comfortable codefying it.
On a different note, Radio JankoHrasko just asked me to be a DJ/moderator! Now, it is volunteer, but it is a BIG honor for me. It is a big thing in the world of Folklor to be chosen for this.. not to blow my own horn. But, as I consider you all as , if not family, then definately a close community- I just wanted to share!!! :-D I am going to start soon, but I would invite EVERYONE to listen to this internet radio- www.jankohrasko.sk
They/we are also trying to perfect the idea of a weekly Slovak lesson- I will DEFINATELY let you know how that pans out!
--- On Fri, 10/3/08, Armata, Joseph R <armata+@...> wrote:
From: Armata, Joseph R <armata+@...>
Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Frank goes west
To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 8:53 AM
Helen, I'm really enjoying this story! What an interesting window on the past.
Now for a techie language question - why the "uf in "zlatufka" (instead of zlatovka = a gold coin)? I'm familiar with that from Polish, where closed "o"s are pronounced "u" (and "i" in Ukrainian), and "v" before voiceless consonants is pronounced "f" by devoicing. Standard Slovak doesn't do either; do some Saris dialects do both of those? (I know some western or central dialects of Slovak would pronounce it "zlatowka" - or is that standard Slovak too?)
The online Saris dialect dictionary lists both zlatovka and zlatofka, so it looks like devoicing happens, but no zlatufka. Have you noticed other examples of these features in his dialect? Or maybe this was just one word he picked up from the Poles he was hanging out with.
Would your mother have said zlatufka? Martin, Ben, any thoughts?
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> "One cigar cost 50¢, which in our money comes to 1 gold piece and 20
> grajcar-s [jedna zlatufka a 20 grajcare]". Whiskey was sold only on the
> sly. It was forbidden because otherwise the Indians would drink it, get
> crazy, and kill people. Frank had bought the cigars in Chicago for 5¢
> each and this was how he bribed his boss. One time the boss signed off
> on 4.5 days' [which he hadn't worked] pay, earning Frank $9. Frank
> sometimes shirked his work, but because of his bribes, he wasn't afraid
> that the boss would fire him. Frank worked under this boss for 2
> months, but then the men had to move to another location, where they
> another boss.
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> the idea that Eastern Slovak and Czech had a closer resemblanceI agree, Ron, they do (from an etymological perspective, few Slovaks
> than Central Slovak.
would think of them that way casually). What I wondered about was the
source of information that some argued during the negotiations in the
1840s (or possibly at another time) that, therefore, Eastern Slovak
should become Standard Slovak.