Re: [Slovak-World] Frank goes west
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From: Armata, Joseph R
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Frank goes west
Helen, I'm really enjoying this story! What an interesting window on
Now for a techie language question - why the "uf in "zlatufka"
(instead of zlatovka = a gold coin)? I'm familiar with that from Polish,
where closed "o"s are pronounced "u" (and "i" in Ukrainian), and "v"
before voiceless consonants is pronounced "f" by devoicing. Standard
Slovak doesn't do either; do some Saris dialects do both of those? (I
know some western or central dialects of Slovak would pronounce it
"zlatowka" - or is that standard Slovak too?)
The online Saris dialect dictionary lists both zlatovka and zlatofka,
so it looks like devoicing happens, but no zlatufka. Have you noticed
other examples of these features in his dialect? Or maybe this was just
one word he picked up from the Poles he was hanging out with.
Would your mother have said zlatufka? Martin, Ben, any thoughts?
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> "One cigar cost 50¢, which in our money comes to 1 gold piece and
> grajcar-s [jedna zlatufka a 20 grajcare]". Whiskey was sold only on
> sly. It was forbidden because otherwise the Indians would drink it,
> crazy, and kill people. Frank had bought the cigars in Chicago for
> each and this was how he bribed his boss. One time the boss signed
> on 4.5 days' [which he hadn't worked] pay, earning Frank $9. Frank
> sometimes shirked his work, but because of his bribes, he wasn't
> that the boss would fire him. Frank worked under this boss for 2
> months, but then the men had to move to another location, where
> another boss.
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> the idea that Eastern Slovak and Czech had a closer resemblanceI agree, Ron, they do (from an etymological perspective, few Slovaks
> than Central Slovak.
would think of them that way casually). What I wondered about was the
source of information that some argued during the negotiations in the
1840s (or possibly at another time) that, therefore, Eastern Slovak
should become Standard Slovak.