Re: Cheese after wine
- Jumping back to a 'cheese war' from last February, there was
discussion about a Slovak-Polish argument for the rights to a special
cheese from the Tatra Mountain region. I just stumbled across a
Polish site, in English, presenting their side - and showing a map of
the area that includes primarily Slovakia. They make some intersting
statements such as
"Podhale, nestled high up in the Tatra Mountains on the Polish side of
the Polish and Slovak border"
"Podhale has been changing hands of foreign suitors many a time"
"Although the Tatra region spreads to Slovakia, this type of cheese is
only made in Poland."
"The regions of Podhale, Orawa and Spis are all located on the
southern border of Poland, neighboring Slovakia."
The European commissioners must have had a tough time keeping straight
faces when they heard the arguments for exclusive rights to this cheese!
--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Votruba" <votrubam@...>
>US--Czech > battle over Budweiser, originally also just a regional
> > HAHAHA!!!! An international dispute over cheese
> Yes, it's become similar to disputes about trademarks. The
designation, > has still not been legally resolved.
>of > various traditional European food products. Should Poland get
> The European Union has been granting exclusive rights to the names
the > exclusive rights to "ostiepok," Slovakia would have to change
its name > (at least for export). Exclusive "country" rights to, or
"formula > standards" for the names of a number of traditional
cheeses, liquors, > other products that didn't use to be trademarks
have already been > legislated.
>it > enormously. In the past the dispute over the Greek claim to feta
> The EU has speeded up this process somewhat recently, and expanded
> cheese, for example, took about 20 years to resolve.can/cannot > be called "vodka."
> BTW, a major pan-European battle going on now is about what
> votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
- Sounds like the age-old argument over the sparkling wine called
"Champagne"....A similar argument transpired between Hungary and
Slovakia over Tokay/Tokaj wine. Italy produces wine from Tokay grapes
and they are grown in California as well but I'm not sure they got into
the fray. Another such debate, though internal to one country was the
famous dispute regarding Sacher Torte in Vienna. It was first produced
when a young apprentice pastry chef named Sacher invented it for a
special royal occasion while working for the Demel cake and coffee house
in Vienna. He later left Demel and started his own business, the Hotel
Sacher, and began producing the cake there. Since Demel was still
producing the cake a dispute arose over who was producing the "Original
Sacher Torte" and the case went before a judge. He is said to have been
really perplexed and finally decreed that Demel could produce the
"Authentic Sacher Torte" and the Sacher Hotel could produce the
"Original Sacher Torte".
Paul in Bratislava
Homebase in Carlisle, PA
> The European commissioners must have had a tough timeI'd think it's more likely that they were yawning, Ron. They've been
> keeping straight faces when they heard the arguments for
> exclusive rights to this cheese!
handling similar disputes for years (the feta cheese dispute has
dragged for two decades) and many more are coming up. And that they
were happy. They'd be out of their extremely well paid jobs otherwise
(the EU salaries are incomparably higher than the government salaries
This Slovak--Polish dispute has already been resolved, the way that I
thought was obvious from the start: surprise, surprise, the Poles have
the exclusive right to the Polish name _oscypek_ and the Slovaks to
the Slovak name _os~tiepok_, and what each country sells under the
name it owns the right to is up to each country's internal standards.
Why on earth was there even a dispute? There was no single name that
producers and countries spar about, like rum, feta, vodka, gorgonzola.
That needed a year of negotiations, taxpayer-funded compensation for
the diplomats, bureaucrats in Brussels, lawyers, interpreters,
experts, translators, secretaries, travel, hotels, per diems...
votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
- After Slovakia and Poland settled their ostiepok/oscypek controversy,
a new Central-European storm over rights to food labels is gathering
around Slovakia, this time concerning salami and sausages. Bratislava
applied for the registration of six types of salami, a type of
frankfurters, of klobasa, and of sausage (s~peka'c~ik). Warsaw wants
to register two similar types of salami. Prague is planning to
contest Warsaw's two applications, and Bratislava's application for
the right to all of those meat products.
The European Union registers traditional food products from many of
its members, which then translates to a status comparable to a