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  • Plichta
    No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
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      No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
      area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
      the Kingdom of Hungary.



      The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
      the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
      Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
      maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
      Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
      Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
      Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
      the U.S.A.



      Frank R. Plichta

      Galax, Virginia



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      Galicia hungarian?

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      Nancy,

      After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
      included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
      but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
      part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
      to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
      Hungary.

      Frank R. Plichta

      Galax, Virginia

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      Behalf Of Nancy Revak
      Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
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      Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

      Frank,

      In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
      the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
      Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
      include both parts to be more accurate.

      Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
      are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
      Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

      Nancy

      --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
      yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
      >
      > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
      their
      > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
      origin. Some of
      > the names did not come into existence until years after the
      ancestors
      > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
      > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
      corrections or
      > additions.
      >
      >
      >
      > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
      Name,
      > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
      Slovakia
      > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
      changed
      > from time to time.
      >
      >
      >
      > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
      additions.
      > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
      >
      >
      >
      > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
      formed the
      > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
      >
      > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
      Salzburg,
      > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
      >
      > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
      >
      > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Silesia.
      >
      > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
      >
      > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
      part of
      > Czechoslovakia.
      >
      > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
      >
      > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Slovakia.
      >
      > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Slovakia.
      >
      > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
      Reich.
      >
      > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
      Hungary.
      >
      > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
      >
      > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
      the German
      > Reich.
      >
      > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
      Moravia
      > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
      >
      > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
      >
      > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
      >
      > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
      Communist
      > control of the republic.
      > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
      State
      > Treaty.
      >
      > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
      occupied
      > Czechoslovakia.
      >
      > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
      with
      > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
      >
      > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
      >
      > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Frank R. Plichta
      >
      > Galax, Virginia
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >

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    • Gergely
      OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
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        OK, thanks.
        I'll try to find it.

        Jack Gergely
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Plichta
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


        Jack,

        The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
        Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
        1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
        Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
        Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
        recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
        Germain-en-Layne (1919).

        Frank R. Plichta

        Galax, Virginia

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        Behalf Of Gergely
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

        Frank,

        Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
        interests me. I'd like to know more.

        I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
        subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
        names) was an ethnic area.

        Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
        of, and what territory did it encompass.

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Plichta
        To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

        Nancy,

        It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
        recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
        (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
        as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
        territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
        the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
        Italy.

        Frank R. Plichta

        Galax, Virginia

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        [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
        yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of Nancy Revak
        Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
        To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

        Frank,

        In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
        the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
        Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
        include both parts to be more accurate.

        Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
        are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
        Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

        Nancy

        --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
        yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
        >
        > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
        their
        > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
        origin. Some of
        > the names did not come into existence until years after the
        ancestors
        > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
        > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
        corrections or
        > additions.
        >
        >
        >
        > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
        Name,
        > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
        Slovakia
        > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
        changed
        > from time to time.
        >
        >
        >
        > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
        additions.
        > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
        >
        >
        >
        > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
        formed the
        > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
        >
        > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
        Salzburg,
        > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
        >
        > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
        >
        > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Silesia.
        >
        > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
        >
        > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
        part of
        > Czechoslovakia.
        >
        > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
        >
        > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Slovakia.
        >
        > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Slovakia.
        >
        > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
        Reich.
        >
        > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
        Hungary.
        >
        > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
        >
        > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
        the German
        > Reich.
        >
        > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
        Moravia
        > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
        >
        > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
        >
        > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
        >
        > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
        Communist
        > control of the republic.
        > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
        State
        > Treaty.
        >
        > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
        occupied
        > Czechoslovakia.
        >
        > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
        with
        > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
        >
        > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
        >
        > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Frank R. Plichta
        >
        > Galax, Virginia
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >

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      • vchromoho
        Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
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          Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
          http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

          Carpatho-Ukraine:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

          From the first link above:

          "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
          formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
          Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
          Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
          appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
          first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
          Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
          Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
          the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
          river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
          Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
          Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
          and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
          Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
          settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
          including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
          Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
          (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
          Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
          After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
          reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
          farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
          podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

          When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
          government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
          entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

          --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
          >
          > OK, thanks.
          > I'll try to find it.
          >
          > Jack Gergely
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Plichta
          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
          > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
          >
          >
          > Jack,
          >
          > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
          Yearbook",
          > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
          the Year
          > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
          C 1975 The
          > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
          > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
          would
          > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
          > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
          >
          > Frank R. Plichta
          >
          > Galax, Virginia
          >
          > _____
          >
          > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
          World@yahoogroups.com] On
          > Behalf Of Gergely
          > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
          > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
          History
          >
          > Frank,
          >
          > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
          This really
          > interests me. I'd like to know more.
          >
          > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
          political area or
          > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
          the related
          > names) was an ethnic area.
          >
          > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
          province
          > of, and what territory did it encompass.
          >
        • Plichta
          ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
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            >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
            >Martin



            Martin,



            I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
            well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



            In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
            dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
            156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
            directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
            the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
            say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



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            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia





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          • Martin Votruba
            ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
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              > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

              I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
              Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
              quoted that post about it, not yours.

              > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
              > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

              It never was.


              Martin

              votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
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