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  • konekta@nm.psg.sk
    Martin, I m glad I m not alone. Thanks. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Votruba
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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      Martin, I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks.
      Vladimir


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      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Martin Votruba
      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:11 PM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



      > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
      > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
      > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
      > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
      > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
      > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
      > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

      > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
      > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

      This is getting quite messy.

      The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
      1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
      etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
      main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
      Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
      Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
      monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

      Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
      in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
      other Habsburg land.

      > people take it for granted

      I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
      |

      Martin

      votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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    • Gergely
      Frank, Your use of the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia . This really interests me. I d like to know more. I was never aware that Ruthenia ever
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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        Frank,

        Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really interests me. I'd like to know more.

        I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related names) was an ethnic area.

        Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province of, and what territory did it encompass.



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Plichta
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


        Nancy,

        It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
        recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
        (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
        as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
        territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
        the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
        Italy.

        Frank R. Plichta

        Galax, Virginia

        _____

        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of Nancy Revak
        Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

        Frank,

        In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
        the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
        Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
        include both parts to be more accurate.

        Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
        are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
        Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

        Nancy

        --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
        yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
        >
        > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
        their
        > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
        origin. Some of
        > the names did not come into existence until years after the
        ancestors
        > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
        > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
        corrections or
        > additions.
        >
        >
        >
        > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
        Name,
        > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
        Slovakia
        > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
        changed
        > from time to time.
        >
        >
        >
        > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
        additions.
        > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
        >
        >
        >
        > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
        formed the
        > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
        >
        > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
        Salzburg,
        > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
        >
        > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
        >
        > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Silesia.
        >
        > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
        >
        > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
        part of
        > Czechoslovakia.
        >
        > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
        >
        > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Slovakia.
        >
        > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
        Slovakia.
        >
        > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
        Reich.
        >
        > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
        Hungary.
        >
        > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
        >
        > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
        the German
        > Reich.
        >
        > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
        Moravia
        > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
        >
        > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
        >
        > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
        >
        > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
        Communist
        > control of the republic.
        > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
        State
        > Treaty.
        >
        > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
        occupied
        > Czechoslovakia.
        >
        > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
        with
        > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
        >
        > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
        >
        > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Frank R. Plichta
        >
        > Galax, Virginia
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >

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      • Plichta
        Jack, The entire paragraph is a direct quote from The Statesman s Yearbook , Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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          Jack,



          The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
          Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
          1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
          Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
          Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
          recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
          Germain-en-Layne (1919).



          Frank R. Plichta

          Galax, Virginia



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          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Gergely
          Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



          Frank,

          Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
          interests me. I'd like to know more.

          I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
          subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
          names) was an ethnic area.

          Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
          of, and what territory did it encompass.

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Plichta
          To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

          Nancy,

          It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
          recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
          (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
          as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
          territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
          the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
          Italy.

          Frank R. Plichta

          Galax, Virginia

          _____

          From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
          [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
          yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Nancy Revak
          Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
          To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

          Frank,

          In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
          the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
          Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
          include both parts to be more accurate.

          Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
          are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
          Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

          Nancy

          --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
          yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
          >
          > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
          their
          > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
          origin. Some of
          > the names did not come into existence until years after the
          ancestors
          > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
          > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
          corrections or
          > additions.
          >
          >
          >
          > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
          Name,
          > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
          Slovakia
          > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
          changed
          > from time to time.
          >
          >
          >
          > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
          additions.
          > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
          >
          >
          >
          > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
          formed the
          > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
          >
          > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
          Salzburg,
          > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
          >
          > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
          >
          > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Silesia.
          >
          > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
          >
          > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
          part of
          > Czechoslovakia.
          >
          > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
          >
          > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Slovakia.
          >
          > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Slovakia.
          >
          > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
          Reich.
          >
          > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
          Hungary.
          >
          > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
          >
          > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
          the German
          > Reich.
          >
          > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
          Moravia
          > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
          >
          > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
          >
          > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
          >
          > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
          Communist
          > control of the republic.
          > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
          State
          > Treaty.
          >
          > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
          occupied
          > Czechoslovakia.
          >
          > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
          with
          > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
          >
          > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
          >
          > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Frank R. Plichta
          >
          > Galax, Virginia
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >

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        • Plichta
          No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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            No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
            area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
            the Kingdom of Hungary.



            The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
            the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
            Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
            maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
            Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
            Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
            Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
            the U.S.A.



            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia



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            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of konekta@...
            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:43 AM
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



            Galicia hungarian?

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            From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Plichta
            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
            To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

            Nancy,

            After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
            included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
            but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
            part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
            to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
            Hungary.

            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia

            _____

            From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Nancy Revak
            Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
            To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

            Frank,

            In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
            the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
            Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
            include both parts to be more accurate.

            Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
            are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
            Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

            Nancy

            --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
            >
            > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
            their
            > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
            origin. Some of
            > the names did not come into existence until years after the
            ancestors
            > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
            > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
            corrections or
            > additions.
            >
            >
            >
            > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
            Name,
            > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
            Slovakia
            > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
            changed
            > from time to time.
            >
            >
            >
            > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
            additions.
            > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
            >
            >
            >
            > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
            formed the
            > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
            >
            > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
            Salzburg,
            > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
            >
            > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
            >
            > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Silesia.
            >
            > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
            >
            > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
            part of
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
            >
            > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
            Reich.
            >
            > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
            Hungary.
            >
            > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
            the German
            > Reich.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
            Moravia
            > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
            >
            > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
            >
            > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
            >
            > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
            Communist
            > control of the republic.
            > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
            State
            > Treaty.
            >
            > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
            occupied
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
            with
            > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Frank R. Plichta
            >
            > Galax, Virginia
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >

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          • Gergely
            OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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              OK, thanks.
              I'll try to find it.

              Jack Gergely
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Plichta
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


              Jack,

              The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
              Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
              1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
              Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
              Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
              recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
              Germain-en-Layne (1919).

              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia

              _____

              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Gergely
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Frank,

              Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
              interests me. I'd like to know more.

              I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
              subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
              names) was an ethnic area.

              Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
              of, and what territory did it encompass.

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Plichta
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Nancy,

              It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
              recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
              (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
              as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
              territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
              the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
              Italy.

              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia

              _____

              From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Nancy Revak
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Frank,

              In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
              the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
              Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
              include both parts to be more accurate.

              Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
              are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
              Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

              Nancy

              --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
              >
              > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
              their
              > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
              origin. Some of
              > the names did not come into existence until years after the
              ancestors
              > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
              > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
              corrections or
              > additions.
              >
              >
              >
              > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
              Name,
              > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
              Slovakia
              > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
              changed
              > from time to time.
              >
              >
              >
              > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
              additions.
              > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
              >
              >
              >
              > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
              formed the
              > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
              >
              > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
              Salzburg,
              > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
              >
              > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
              >
              > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Silesia.
              >
              > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
              >
              > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
              part of
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
              >
              > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
              Reich.
              >
              > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
              Hungary.
              >
              > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
              the German
              > Reich.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
              Moravia
              > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
              >
              > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
              >
              > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
              >
              > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
              Communist
              > control of the republic.
              > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
              State
              > Treaty.
              >
              > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
              occupied
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
              with
              > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Frank R. Plichta
              >
              > Galax, Virginia
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              >

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            • vchromoho
              Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
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                Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
                http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

                Carpatho-Ukraine:
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

                From the first link above:

                "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
                formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
                Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
                Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
                appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
                first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
                Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
                Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
                the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
                river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
                Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
                Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
                and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
                Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
                settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
                including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
                Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
                (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
                Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
                After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
                reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
                farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
                podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

                When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
                government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
                entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

                --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
                >
                > OK, thanks.
                > I'll try to find it.
                >
                > Jack Gergely
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Plichta
                > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
                >
                >
                > Jack,
                >
                > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
                Yearbook",
                > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
                the Year
                > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
                C 1975 The
                > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
                would
                > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
                >
                > Frank R. Plichta
                >
                > Galax, Virginia
                >
                > _____
                >
                > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
                World@yahoogroups.com] On
                > Behalf Of Gergely
                > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
                History
                >
                > Frank,
                >
                > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
                This really
                > interests me. I'd like to know more.
                >
                > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
                political area or
                > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
                the related
                > names) was an ethnic area.
                >
                > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
                province
                > of, and what territory did it encompass.
                >
              • Plichta
                ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
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                  >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
                  >Martin



                  Martin,



                  I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
                  well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



                  In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
                  dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
                  156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
                  directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
                  the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
                  say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



                  If you are not familiar with "The Statesman's Yearbook" it is an annual
                  publication, first published in 1864 and is used extensively as a primary
                  reference source for diplomats around the world. The 2007 edition is the
                  142nd year the reference has been published. From their website at:
                  http://www.statesmansyearbook.com/public/about


                  About The Statesman's Yearbook
                  Dr Barry Turner, only the seventh editor in the 142-year history of The
                  Statesman's Yearbook


                  The Statesman's Yearbook was conceived of by Robert Carlyle and brought into
                  being with the help of William Gladstone. Their vision for the book was an
                  authoritative and accessible volume containing information essential for
                  diplomats, politicians and all statesmen involved with international
                  affairs. It quickly gained recognition as an indispensable reference tool
                  and has been published continuously since 1864, through two world wars,
                  without missing an edition. It was ranked by Library Journal as one of the
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                  Today, international affairs concern almost every one of us and the scope of
                  the book has become correspondingly broader, with expanded coverage of
                  history, politics, economics, trade and infrastructure for each country, all
                  thoroughly researched and verified by a dedicated editorial team. It also
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                  In a world where opinion, propaganda and inaccuracy are frequently put
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                  See the Reviews of The Statesman's
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                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia





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                • Martin Votruba
                  ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
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                    > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

                    I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
                    Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
                    quoted that post about it, not yours.

                    > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
                    > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

                    It never was.


                    Martin

                    votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
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