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  • Martin Votruba
    ... This is getting quite messy. The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the Empire of Austria in 1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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      > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
      > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
      > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
      > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
      > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
      > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
      > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

      > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
      > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

      This is getting quite messy.

      The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
      1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
      etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
      main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
      Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
      Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
      monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

      Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
      in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
      other Habsburg land.

      > people take it for granted

      I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
      |

      Martin

      votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
    • konekta@nm.psg.sk
      Martin, I m glad I m not alone. Thanks. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Votruba
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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        Martin, I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks.
        Vladimir


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        Behalf Of Martin Votruba
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:11 PM
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



        > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
        > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
        > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
        > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
        > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
        > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
        > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

        > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
        > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

        This is getting quite messy.

        The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
        1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
        etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
        main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
        Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
        Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
        monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

        Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
        in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
        other Habsburg land.

        > people take it for granted

        I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
        |

        Martin

        votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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      • Gergely
        Frank, Your use of the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia . This really interests me. I d like to know more. I was never aware that Ruthenia ever
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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          Frank,

          Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really interests me. I'd like to know more.

          I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related names) was an ethnic area.

          Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province of, and what territory did it encompass.



          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Plichta
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


          Nancy,

          It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
          recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
          (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
          as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
          territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
          the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
          Italy.

          Frank R. Plichta

          Galax, Virginia

          _____

          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Nancy Revak
          Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

          Frank,

          In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
          the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
          Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
          include both parts to be more accurate.

          Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
          are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
          Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

          Nancy

          --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
          yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
          >
          > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
          their
          > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
          origin. Some of
          > the names did not come into existence until years after the
          ancestors
          > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
          > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
          corrections or
          > additions.
          >
          >
          >
          > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
          Name,
          > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
          Slovakia
          > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
          changed
          > from time to time.
          >
          >
          >
          > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
          additions.
          > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
          >
          >
          >
          > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
          formed the
          > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
          >
          > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
          Salzburg,
          > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
          >
          > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
          >
          > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Silesia.
          >
          > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
          >
          > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
          part of
          > Czechoslovakia.
          >
          > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
          >
          > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Slovakia.
          >
          > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
          Slovakia.
          >
          > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
          Reich.
          >
          > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
          Hungary.
          >
          > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
          >
          > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
          the German
          > Reich.
          >
          > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
          Moravia
          > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
          >
          > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
          >
          > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
          >
          > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
          Communist
          > control of the republic.
          > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
          State
          > Treaty.
          >
          > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
          occupied
          > Czechoslovakia.
          >
          > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
          with
          > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
          >
          > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
          >
          > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Frank R. Plichta
          >
          > Galax, Virginia
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >

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        • Plichta
          Jack, The entire paragraph is a direct quote from The Statesman s Yearbook , Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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            Jack,



            The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
            Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
            1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
            Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
            Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
            recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
            Germain-en-Layne (1919).



            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia



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            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Gergely
            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



            Frank,

            Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
            interests me. I'd like to know more.

            I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
            subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
            names) was an ethnic area.

            Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
            of, and what territory did it encompass.

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Plichta
            To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

            Nancy,

            It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
            recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
            (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
            as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
            territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
            the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
            Italy.

            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia

            _____

            From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Nancy Revak
            Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
            To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

            Frank,

            In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
            the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
            Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
            include both parts to be more accurate.

            Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
            are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
            Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

            Nancy

            --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
            >
            > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
            their
            > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
            origin. Some of
            > the names did not come into existence until years after the
            ancestors
            > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
            > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
            corrections or
            > additions.
            >
            >
            >
            > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
            Name,
            > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
            Slovakia
            > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
            changed
            > from time to time.
            >
            >
            >
            > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
            additions.
            > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
            >
            >
            >
            > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
            formed the
            > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
            >
            > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
            Salzburg,
            > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
            >
            > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
            >
            > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Silesia.
            >
            > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
            >
            > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
            part of
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
            >
            > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
            Reich.
            >
            > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
            Hungary.
            >
            > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
            the German
            > Reich.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
            Moravia
            > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
            >
            > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
            >
            > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
            >
            > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
            Communist
            > control of the republic.
            > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
            State
            > Treaty.
            >
            > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
            occupied
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
            with
            > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Frank R. Plichta
            >
            > Galax, Virginia
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >

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          • Plichta
            No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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              No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
              area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
              the Kingdom of Hungary.



              The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
              the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
              Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
              maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
              Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
              Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
              Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
              the U.S.A.



              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia



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              Behalf Of konekta@...
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:43 AM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



              Galicia hungarian?

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              [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Plichta
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Nancy,

              After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
              included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
              but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
              part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
              to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
              Hungary.

              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia

              _____

              From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Nancy Revak
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Frank,

              In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
              the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
              Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
              include both parts to be more accurate.

              Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
              are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
              Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

              Nancy

              --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
              >
              > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
              their
              > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
              origin. Some of
              > the names did not come into existence until years after the
              ancestors
              > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
              > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
              corrections or
              > additions.
              >
              >
              >
              > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
              Name,
              > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
              Slovakia
              > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
              changed
              > from time to time.
              >
              >
              >
              > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
              additions.
              > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
              >
              >
              >
              > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
              formed the
              > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
              >
              > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
              Salzburg,
              > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
              >
              > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
              >
              > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Silesia.
              >
              > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
              >
              > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
              part of
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
              >
              > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
              Reich.
              >
              > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
              Hungary.
              >
              > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
              the German
              > Reich.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
              Moravia
              > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
              >
              > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
              >
              > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
              >
              > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
              Communist
              > control of the republic.
              > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
              State
              > Treaty.
              >
              > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
              occupied
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
              with
              > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Frank R. Plichta
              >
              > Galax, Virginia
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >

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            • Gergely
              OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
              Message 6 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
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                OK, thanks.
                I'll try to find it.

                Jack Gergely
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Plichta
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


                Jack,

                The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                Germain-en-Layne (1919).

                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia

                _____

                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Gergely
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Frank,

                Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                interests me. I'd like to know more.

                I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                names) was an ethnic area.

                Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                of, and what territory did it encompass.

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Plichta
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Nancy,

                It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                Italy.

                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia

                _____

                From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Frank,

                In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                include both parts to be more accurate.

                Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                Nancy

                --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                their
                > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                origin. Some of
                > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                ancestors
                > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                corrections or
                > additions.
                >
                >
                >
                > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                Name,
                > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                Slovakia
                > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                changed
                > from time to time.
                >
                >
                >
                > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                additions.
                > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                >
                >
                >
                > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                formed the
                > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                >
                > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                Salzburg,
                > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                >
                > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                >
                > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Silesia.
                >
                > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                >
                > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                part of
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                >
                > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                Reich.
                >
                > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                Hungary.
                >
                > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                the German
                > Reich.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                Moravia
                > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                >
                > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                >
                > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                >
                > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                Communist
                > control of the republic.
                > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                State
                > Treaty.
                >
                > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                occupied
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                with
                > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Frank R. Plichta
                >
                > Galax, Virginia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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                >

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              • vchromoho
                Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
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                  Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
                  http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

                  Carpatho-Ukraine:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

                  From the first link above:

                  "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
                  formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
                  Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
                  Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
                  appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
                  first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
                  Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
                  Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
                  the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
                  river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
                  Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
                  Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
                  and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
                  Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
                  settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
                  including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
                  Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
                  (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
                  Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
                  After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
                  reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
                  farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
                  podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

                  When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
                  government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
                  entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > OK, thanks.
                  > I'll try to find it.
                  >
                  > Jack Gergely
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Plichta
                  > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                  > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
                  >
                  >
                  > Jack,
                  >
                  > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
                  Yearbook",
                  > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
                  the Year
                  > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
                  C 1975 The
                  > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                  > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
                  would
                  > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                  > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
                  >
                  > Frank R. Plichta
                  >
                  > Galax, Virginia
                  >
                  > _____
                  >
                  > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
                  World@yahoogroups.com] On
                  > Behalf Of Gergely
                  > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                  > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
                  History
                  >
                  > Frank,
                  >
                  > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
                  This really
                  > interests me. I'd like to know more.
                  >
                  > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
                  political area or
                  > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
                  the related
                  > names) was an ethnic area.
                  >
                  > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
                  province
                  > of, and what territory did it encompass.
                  >
                • Plichta
                  ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
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                    >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
                    >Martin



                    Martin,



                    I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
                    well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



                    In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
                    dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
                    156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
                    directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
                    the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
                    say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



                    If you are not familiar with "The Statesman's Yearbook" it is an annual
                    publication, first published in 1864 and is used extensively as a primary
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                    142nd year the reference has been published. From their website at:
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                    Frank R. Plichta

                    Galax, Virginia





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                  • Martin Votruba
                    ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
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                      > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

                      I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
                      Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
                      quoted that post about it, not yours.

                      > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
                      > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

                      It never was.


                      Martin

                      votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
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