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  • konekta@nm.psg.sk
    It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people take it for granted. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
      It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people
      take it for granted.
      Vladimir

      _____

      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Martin Votruba
      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:36 PM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



      > Bohemia and Moravia were officially called Protectorate,
      > while Slovakia was not.

      Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US
      Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does
      not mean that Taiwan is a "US protectorate."
      |

      Martin

      votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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    • Martin Votruba
      ... This is getting quite messy. The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the Empire of Austria in 1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
        > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
        > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
        > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
        > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
        > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
        > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
        > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

        > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
        > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

        This is getting quite messy.

        The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
        1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
        etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
        main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
        Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
        Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
        monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

        Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
        in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
        other Habsburg land.

        > people take it for granted

        I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
        |

        Martin

        votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
      • konekta@nm.psg.sk
        Martin, I m glad I m not alone. Thanks. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Votruba
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
          Martin, I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks.
          Vladimir


          _____

          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Martin Votruba
          Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:11 PM
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



          > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
          > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
          > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
          > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
          > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
          > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
          > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

          > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
          > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

          This is getting quite messy.

          The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
          1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
          etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
          main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
          Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
          Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
          monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

          Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
          in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
          other Habsburg land.

          > people take it for granted

          I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
          |

          Martin

          votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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        • Gergely
          Frank, Your use of the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia . This really interests me. I d like to know more. I was never aware that Ruthenia ever
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
            Frank,

            Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really interests me. I'd like to know more.

            I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related names) was an ethnic area.

            Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province of, and what territory did it encompass.



            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Plichta
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


            Nancy,

            It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
            recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
            (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
            as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
            territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
            the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
            Italy.

            Frank R. Plichta

            Galax, Virginia

            _____

            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Nancy Revak
            Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

            Frank,

            In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
            the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
            Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
            include both parts to be more accurate.

            Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
            are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
            Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

            Nancy

            --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
            yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
            >
            > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
            their
            > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
            origin. Some of
            > the names did not come into existence until years after the
            ancestors
            > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
            > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
            corrections or
            > additions.
            >
            >
            >
            > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
            Name,
            > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
            Slovakia
            > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
            changed
            > from time to time.
            >
            >
            >
            > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
            additions.
            > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
            >
            >
            >
            > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
            formed the
            > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
            >
            > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
            Salzburg,
            > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
            >
            > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
            >
            > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Silesia.
            >
            > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
            >
            > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
            part of
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
            >
            > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
            Slovakia.
            >
            > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
            Reich.
            >
            > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
            Hungary.
            >
            > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
            the German
            > Reich.
            >
            > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
            Moravia
            > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
            >
            > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
            >
            > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
            >
            > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
            Communist
            > control of the republic.
            > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
            State
            > Treaty.
            >
            > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
            occupied
            > Czechoslovakia.
            >
            > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
            with
            > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
            >
            > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Frank R. Plichta
            >
            > Galax, Virginia
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            >

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          • Plichta
            Jack, The entire paragraph is a direct quote from The Statesman s Yearbook , Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
              Jack,



              The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
              Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
              1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
              Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
              Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
              recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
              Germain-en-Layne (1919).



              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia



              _____

              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Gergely
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



              Frank,

              Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
              interests me. I'd like to know more.

              I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
              subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
              names) was an ethnic area.

              Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
              of, and what territory did it encompass.

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Plichta
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Nancy,

              It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
              recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
              (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
              as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
              territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
              the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
              Italy.

              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia

              _____

              From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Nancy Revak
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
              To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Frank,

              In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
              the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
              Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
              include both parts to be more accurate.

              Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
              are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
              Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

              Nancy

              --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
              >
              > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
              their
              > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
              origin. Some of
              > the names did not come into existence until years after the
              ancestors
              > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
              > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
              corrections or
              > additions.
              >
              >
              >
              > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
              Name,
              > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
              Slovakia
              > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
              changed
              > from time to time.
              >
              >
              >
              > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
              additions.
              > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
              >
              >
              >
              > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
              formed the
              > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
              >
              > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
              Salzburg,
              > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
              >
              > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
              >
              > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Silesia.
              >
              > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
              >
              > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
              part of
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
              >
              > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
              Reich.
              >
              > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
              Hungary.
              >
              > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
              the German
              > Reich.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
              Moravia
              > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
              >
              > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
              >
              > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
              >
              > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
              Communist
              > control of the republic.
              > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
              State
              > Treaty.
              >
              > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
              occupied
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
              with
              > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Frank R. Plichta
              >
              > Galax, Virginia
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >

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            • Plichta
              No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
              Message 6 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
                area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
                the Kingdom of Hungary.



                The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
                the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
                Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
                maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
                Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
                Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
                Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
                the U.S.A.



                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia



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                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of konekta@...
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:43 AM
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



                Galicia hungarian?

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                From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Plichta
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Nancy,

                After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
                included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
                but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
                part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
                to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
                Hungary.

                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia

                _____

                From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Frank,

                In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                include both parts to be more accurate.

                Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                Nancy

                --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                their
                > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                origin. Some of
                > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                ancestors
                > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                corrections or
                > additions.
                >
                >
                >
                > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                Name,
                > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                Slovakia
                > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                changed
                > from time to time.
                >
                >
                >
                > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                additions.
                > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                >
                >
                >
                > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                formed the
                > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                >
                > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                Salzburg,
                > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                >
                > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                >
                > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Silesia.
                >
                > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                >
                > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                part of
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                >
                > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                Reich.
                >
                > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                Hungary.
                >
                > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                the German
                > Reich.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                Moravia
                > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                >
                > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                >
                > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                >
                > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                Communist
                > control of the republic.
                > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                State
                > Treaty.
                >
                > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                occupied
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                with
                > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Frank R. Plichta
                >
                > Galax, Virginia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >

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              • Gergely
                OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
                Message 7 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                  OK, thanks.
                  I'll try to find it.

                  Jack Gergely
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Plichta
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


                  Jack,

                  The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                  Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                  1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                  Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                  Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                  recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                  Germain-en-Layne (1919).

                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia

                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Gergely
                  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Frank,

                  Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                  interests me. I'd like to know more.

                  I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                  subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                  names) was an ethnic area.

                  Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                  of, and what territory did it encompass.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Plichta
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Nancy,

                  It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                  recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                  (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                  as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                  territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                  the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                  Italy.

                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia

                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Frank,

                  In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                  the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                  Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                  include both parts to be more accurate.

                  Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                  are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                  Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                  Nancy

                  --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                  their
                  > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                  origin. Some of
                  > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                  ancestors
                  > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                  > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                  corrections or
                  > additions.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                  Name,
                  > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                  Slovakia
                  > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                  changed
                  > from time to time.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                  additions.
                  > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                  formed the
                  > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                  >
                  > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                  Salzburg,
                  > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                  >
                  > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                  >
                  > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Silesia.
                  >
                  > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                  >
                  > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                  part of
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                  >
                  > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                  Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                  Hungary.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                  the German
                  > Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                  Moravia
                  > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                  >
                  > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                  >
                  > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                  Communist
                  > control of the republic.
                  > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                  State
                  > Treaty.
                  >
                  > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                  occupied
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                  with
                  > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Frank R. Plichta
                  >
                  > Galax, Virginia
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >

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                • vchromoho
                  Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                    Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
                    http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

                    Carpatho-Ukraine:
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

                    From the first link above:

                    "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
                    formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
                    Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
                    Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
                    appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
                    first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
                    Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
                    Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
                    the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
                    river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
                    Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
                    Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
                    and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
                    Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
                    settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
                    including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
                    Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
                    (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
                    Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
                    After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
                    reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
                    farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
                    podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

                    When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
                    government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
                    entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

                    --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > OK, thanks.
                    > I'll try to find it.
                    >
                    > Jack Gergely
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Plichta
                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                    > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
                    >
                    >
                    > Jack,
                    >
                    > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
                    Yearbook",
                    > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
                    the Year
                    > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
                    C 1975 The
                    > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                    > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
                    would
                    > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                    > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
                    >
                    > Frank R. Plichta
                    >
                    > Galax, Virginia
                    >
                    > _____
                    >
                    > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
                    World@yahoogroups.com] On
                    > Behalf Of Gergely
                    > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                    > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
                    History
                    >
                    > Frank,
                    >
                    > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
                    This really
                    > interests me. I'd like to know more.
                    >
                    > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
                    political area or
                    > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
                    the related
                    > names) was an ethnic area.
                    >
                    > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
                    province
                    > of, and what territory did it encompass.
                    >
                  • Plichta
                    ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                      >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
                      >Martin



                      Martin,



                      I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
                      well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



                      In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
                      dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
                      156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
                      directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
                      the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
                      say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



                      If you are not familiar with "The Statesman's Yearbook" it is an annual
                      publication, first published in 1864 and is used extensively as a primary
                      reference source for diplomats around the world. The 2007 edition is the
                      142nd year the reference has been published. From their website at:
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                      Frank R. Plichta

                      Galax, Virginia





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                    • Martin Votruba
                      ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                        > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

                        I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
                        Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
                        quoted that post about it, not yours.

                        > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
                        > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

                        It never was.


                        Martin

                        votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
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