Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.
 

Re: Country Name Changes thru History

Expand Messages
  • Martin Votruba
    ... Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does not mean that
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
      > Bohemia and Moravia were officially called Protectorate,
      > while Slovakia was not.

      Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US
      Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does
      not mean that Taiwan is a "US protectorate."
      |

      Martin

      votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
    • konekta@nm.psg.sk
      It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people take it for granted. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
        It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people
        take it for granted.
        Vladimir

        _____

        From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of Martin Votruba
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:36 PM
        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



        > Bohemia and Moravia were officially called Protectorate,
        > while Slovakia was not.

        Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US
        Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does
        not mean that Taiwan is a "US protectorate."
        |

        Martin

        votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • Martin Votruba
        ... This is getting quite messy. The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the Empire of Austria in 1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
          > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
          > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
          > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
          > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
          > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
          > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
          > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

          > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
          > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

          This is getting quite messy.

          The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
          1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
          etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
          main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
          Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
          Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
          monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

          Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
          in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
          other Habsburg land.

          > people take it for granted

          I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
          |

          Martin

          votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
        • konekta@nm.psg.sk
          Martin, I m glad I m not alone. Thanks. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Votruba
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
            Martin, I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks.
            Vladimir


            _____

            From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
            Behalf Of Martin Votruba
            Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:11 PM
            To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



            > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
            > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
            > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
            > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
            > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
            > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
            > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

            > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
            > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

            This is getting quite messy.

            The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
            1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
            etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
            main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
            Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
            Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
            monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

            Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
            in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
            other Habsburg land.

            > people take it for granted

            I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
            |

            Martin

            votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • Gergely
            Frank, Your use of the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia . This really interests me. I d like to know more. I was never aware that Ruthenia ever
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
              Frank,

              Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really interests me. I'd like to know more.

              I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related names) was an ethnic area.

              Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province of, and what territory did it encompass.



              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Plichta
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


              Nancy,

              It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
              recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
              (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
              as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
              territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
              the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
              Italy.

              Frank R. Plichta

              Galax, Virginia

              _____

              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Nancy Revak
              Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

              Frank,

              In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
              the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
              Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
              include both parts to be more accurate.

              Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
              are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
              Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

              Nancy

              --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
              yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
              >
              > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
              their
              > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
              origin. Some of
              > the names did not come into existence until years after the
              ancestors
              > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
              > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
              corrections or
              > additions.
              >
              >
              >
              > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
              Name,
              > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
              Slovakia
              > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
              changed
              > from time to time.
              >
              >
              >
              > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
              additions.
              > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
              >
              >
              >
              > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
              formed the
              > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
              >
              > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
              Salzburg,
              > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
              >
              > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
              >
              > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Silesia.
              >
              > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
              >
              > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
              part of
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
              >
              > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
              Slovakia.
              >
              > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
              Reich.
              >
              > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
              Hungary.
              >
              > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
              the German
              > Reich.
              >
              > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
              Moravia
              > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
              >
              > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
              >
              > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
              >
              > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
              Communist
              > control of the republic.
              > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
              State
              > Treaty.
              >
              > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
              occupied
              > Czechoslovakia.
              >
              > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
              with
              > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
              >
              > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Frank R. Plichta
              >
              > Galax, Virginia
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >

              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • Plichta
              Jack, The entire paragraph is a direct quote from The Statesman s Yearbook , Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
              Message 6 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                Jack,



                The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                Germain-en-Layne (1919).



                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia



                _____

                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Gergely
                Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



                Frank,

                Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                interests me. I'd like to know more.

                I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                names) was an ethnic area.

                Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                of, and what territory did it encompass.

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Plichta
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Nancy,

                It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                Italy.

                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia

                _____

                From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Frank,

                In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                include both parts to be more accurate.

                Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                Nancy

                --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                their
                > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                origin. Some of
                > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                ancestors
                > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                corrections or
                > additions.
                >
                >
                >
                > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                Name,
                > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                Slovakia
                > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                changed
                > from time to time.
                >
                >
                >
                > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                additions.
                > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                >
                >
                >
                > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                formed the
                > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                >
                > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                Salzburg,
                > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                >
                > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                >
                > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Silesia.
                >
                > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                >
                > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                part of
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                >
                > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                Reich.
                >
                > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                Hungary.
                >
                > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                the German
                > Reich.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                Moravia
                > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                >
                > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                >
                > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                >
                > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                Communist
                > control of the republic.
                > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                State
                > Treaty.
                >
                > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                occupied
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                with
                > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Frank R. Plichta
                >
                > Galax, Virginia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >

                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Plichta
                No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
                Message 7 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                  No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
                  area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
                  the Kingdom of Hungary.



                  The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
                  the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
                  Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
                  maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
                  Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
                  Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
                  Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
                  the U.S.A.



                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia



                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of konekta@...
                  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:43 AM
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



                  Galicia hungarian?

                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Plichta
                  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Nancy,

                  After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
                  included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
                  but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
                  part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
                  to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
                  Hungary.

                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia

                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Frank,

                  In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                  the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                  Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                  include both parts to be more accurate.

                  Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                  are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                  Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                  Nancy

                  --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                  their
                  > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                  origin. Some of
                  > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                  ancestors
                  > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                  > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                  corrections or
                  > additions.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                  Name,
                  > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                  Slovakia
                  > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                  changed
                  > from time to time.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                  additions.
                  > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                  formed the
                  > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                  >
                  > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                  Salzburg,
                  > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                  >
                  > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                  >
                  > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Silesia.
                  >
                  > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                  >
                  > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                  part of
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                  >
                  > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                  Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                  Hungary.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                  the German
                  > Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                  Moravia
                  > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                  >
                  > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                  >
                  > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                  Communist
                  > control of the republic.
                  > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                  State
                  > Treaty.
                  >
                  > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                  occupied
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                  with
                  > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Frank R. Plichta
                  >
                  > Galax, Virginia
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Gergely
                  OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                    OK, thanks.
                    I'll try to find it.

                    Jack Gergely
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Plichta
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


                    Jack,

                    The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                    Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                    1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                    Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                    Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                    recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                    Germain-en-Layne (1919).

                    Frank R. Plichta

                    Galax, Virginia

                    _____

                    From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Gergely
                    Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                    Frank,

                    Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                    interests me. I'd like to know more.

                    I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                    subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                    names) was an ethnic area.

                    Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                    of, and what territory did it encompass.

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Plichta
                    To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                    Nancy,

                    It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                    recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                    (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                    as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                    territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                    the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                    Italy.

                    Frank R. Plichta

                    Galax, Virginia

                    _____

                    From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                    To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                    Frank,

                    In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                    the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                    Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                    include both parts to be more accurate.

                    Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                    are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                    Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                    Nancy

                    --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                    their
                    > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                    origin. Some of
                    > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                    ancestors
                    > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                    > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                    corrections or
                    > additions.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                    Name,
                    > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                    Slovakia
                    > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                    changed
                    > from time to time.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                    additions.
                    > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                    formed the
                    > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                    >
                    > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                    Salzburg,
                    > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                    >
                    > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                    >
                    > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Silesia.
                    >
                    > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                    >
                    > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                    part of
                    > Czechoslovakia.
                    >
                    > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                    >
                    > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                    Reich.
                    >
                    > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                    Hungary.
                    >
                    > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                    >
                    > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                    the German
                    > Reich.
                    >
                    > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                    Moravia
                    > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                    >
                    > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                    >
                    > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                    Communist
                    > control of the republic.
                    > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                    State
                    > Treaty.
                    >
                    > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                    occupied
                    > Czechoslovakia.
                    >
                    > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                    with
                    > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                    >
                    > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                    >
                    > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Frank R. Plichta
                    >
                    > Galax, Virginia
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >

                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





                    [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  • vchromoho
                    Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                      Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
                      http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

                      Carpatho-Ukraine:
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

                      From the first link above:

                      "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
                      formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
                      Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
                      Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
                      appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
                      first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
                      Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
                      Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
                      the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
                      river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
                      Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
                      Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
                      and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
                      Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
                      settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
                      including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
                      Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
                      (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
                      Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
                      After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
                      reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
                      farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
                      podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

                      When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
                      government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
                      entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

                      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > OK, thanks.
                      > I'll try to find it.
                      >
                      > Jack Gergely
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Plichta
                      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                      > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
                      >
                      >
                      > Jack,
                      >
                      > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
                      Yearbook",
                      > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
                      the Year
                      > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
                      C 1975 The
                      > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                      > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
                      would
                      > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                      > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
                      >
                      > Frank R. Plichta
                      >
                      > Galax, Virginia
                      >
                      > _____
                      >
                      > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
                      World@yahoogroups.com] On
                      > Behalf Of Gergely
                      > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
                      History
                      >
                      > Frank,
                      >
                      > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
                      This really
                      > interests me. I'd like to know more.
                      >
                      > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
                      political area or
                      > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
                      the related
                      > names) was an ethnic area.
                      >
                      > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
                      province
                      > of, and what territory did it encompass.
                      >
                    • Plichta
                      ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                        >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
                        >Martin



                        Martin,



                        I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
                        well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



                        In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
                        dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
                        156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
                        directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
                        the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
                        say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



                        If you are not familiar with "The Statesman's Yearbook" it is an annual
                        publication, first published in 1864 and is used extensively as a primary
                        reference source for diplomats around the world. The 2007 edition is the
                        142nd year the reference has been published. From their website at:
                        http://www.statesmansyearbook.com/public/about


                        About The Statesman's Yearbook
                        Dr Barry Turner, only the seventh editor in the 142-year history of The
                        Statesman's Yearbook


                        The Statesman's Yearbook was conceived of by Robert Carlyle and brought into
                        being with the help of William Gladstone. Their vision for the book was an
                        authoritative and accessible volume containing information essential for
                        diplomats, politicians and all statesmen involved with international
                        affairs. It quickly gained recognition as an indispensable reference tool
                        and has been published continuously since 1864, through two world wars,
                        without missing an edition. It was ranked by Library Journal as one of the
                        top 20 best reference resources of the millennium.

                        Today, international affairs concern almost every one of us and the scope of
                        the book has become correspondingly broader, with expanded coverage of
                        history, politics, economics, trade and infrastructure for each country, all
                        thoroughly researched and verified by a dedicated editorial team. It also
                        provides extensive further reading lists and web links for further research.

                        In a world where opinion, propaganda and inaccuracy are frequently put
                        forward as fact, The Statesman's Yearbook remains the first point of
                        reference for anyone needing reliable, concise information on any country in
                        the world.

                        See the Reviews of The Statesman's
                        <http://www.statesmansyearbook.com/public/reviews> Yearbook.



                        Frank R. Plichta

                        Galax, Virginia





                        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      • Martin Votruba
                        ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
                        Message 11 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                          > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

                          I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
                          Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
                          quoted that post about it, not yours.

                          > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
                          > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

                          It never was.


                          Martin

                          votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
                        Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.