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  • konekta@nm.psg.sk
    Galicia hungarian? _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Plichta Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM To:
    Message 1 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
      Galicia hungarian?

      _____

      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Plichta
      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



      Nancy,

      After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
      included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
      but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
      part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
      to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
      Hungary.

      Frank R. Plichta

      Galax, Virginia

      _____

      From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
      yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Nancy Revak
      Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
      To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

      Frank,

      In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
      the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
      Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
      include both parts to be more accurate.

      Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
      are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
      Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

      Nancy

      --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
      yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
      >
      > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
      their
      > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
      origin. Some of
      > the names did not come into existence until years after the
      ancestors
      > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
      > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
      corrections or
      > additions.
      >
      >
      >
      > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
      Name,
      > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
      Slovakia
      > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
      changed
      > from time to time.
      >
      >
      >
      > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
      additions.
      > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
      >
      >
      >
      > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
      formed the
      > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
      >
      > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
      Salzburg,
      > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
      >
      > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
      >
      > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Silesia.
      >
      > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
      >
      > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
      part of
      > Czechoslovakia.
      >
      > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
      >
      > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Slovakia.
      >
      > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
      Slovakia.
      >
      > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
      Reich.
      >
      > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
      Hungary.
      >
      > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
      >
      > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
      the German
      > Reich.
      >
      > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
      Moravia
      > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
      >
      > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
      >
      > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
      >
      > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
      Communist
      > control of the republic.
      > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
      State
      > Treaty.
      >
      > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
      occupied
      > Czechoslovakia.
      >
      > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
      with
      > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
      >
      > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
      >
      > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Frank R. Plichta
      >
      > Galax, Virginia
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >

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    • Martin Votruba
      ... Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does not mean that
      Message 2 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
        > Bohemia and Moravia were officially called Protectorate,
        > while Slovakia was not.

        Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US
        Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does
        not mean that Taiwan is a "US protectorate."
        |

        Martin

        votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
      • konekta@nm.psg.sk
        It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people take it for granted. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        Message 3 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
          It is interesting, how some sources can be misleading and wrong and people
          take it for granted.
          Vladimir

          _____

          From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Martin Votruba
          Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:36 PM
          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



          > Bohemia and Moravia were officially called Protectorate,
          > while Slovakia was not.

          Let me support this with an example, Vladimir. Just because the US
          Taiwan Relations Act mandates US military protection of Taiwan does
          not mean that Taiwan is a "US protectorate."
          |

          Martin

          votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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        • Martin Votruba
          ... This is getting quite messy. The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the Empire of Austria in 1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of
          Message 4 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
            > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
            > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
            > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
            > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
            > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
            > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
            > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

            > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
            > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

            This is getting quite messy.

            The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
            1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
            etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
            main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
            Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
            Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
            monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

            Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
            in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
            other Habsburg land.

            > people take it for granted

            I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
            |

            Martin

            votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
          • konekta@nm.psg.sk
            Martin, I m glad I m not alone. Thanks. Vladimir _____ From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Votruba
            Message 5 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
              Martin, I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks.
              Vladimir


              _____

              From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
              Behalf Of Martin Votruba
              Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:11 PM
              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



              > After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe,
              > the Empire of Austria included Bohemia, Moravia, part
              > of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia but NO part
              > of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains
              > was all part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of
              > the Carpathian Mountains uu to the Vistula River was all
              > called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of Hungary.

              > part of it was in the Republic of Austria and part
              > was in the Kingdom of Hungary

              This is getting quite messy.

              The Kingdom of Hungary _was_ part of the "Empire of Austria" in
              1815-1866 just like the Kingdom of Bohemia, Margraviate of Moravia,
              etc. The Kingdom of Hungary _never_ extended north of even merely the
              main ridge of the Carpathians except two tiny spots in Spis and Orava
              Counties (which were still in the Carpathians). The Kingdom of
              Hungary _never_ included any part of Galicia. The Habsburg Austrian
              monarchy included more than merely the areas listed above.

              Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _All_ of Slovakia was
              in the Kingdom of Hungary, _no_ part of modern Slovakia was in any
              other Habsburg land.

              > people take it for granted

              I'd add, Vladimir, that it's more often the people than the sources.
              |

              Martin

              votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu






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            • Gergely
              Frank, Your use of the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia . This really interests me. I d like to know more. I was never aware that Ruthenia ever
              Message 6 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                Frank,

                Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really interests me. I'd like to know more.

                I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related names) was an ethnic area.

                Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province of, and what territory did it encompass.



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Plichta
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


                Nancy,

                It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                Italy.

                Frank R. Plichta

                Galax, Virginia

                _____

                From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                Frank,

                In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                include both parts to be more accurate.

                Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                Nancy

                --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                >
                > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                their
                > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                origin. Some of
                > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                ancestors
                > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                corrections or
                > additions.
                >
                >
                >
                > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                Name,
                > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                Slovakia
                > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                changed
                > from time to time.
                >
                >
                >
                > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                additions.
                > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                >
                >
                >
                > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                formed the
                > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                >
                > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                Salzburg,
                > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                >
                > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                >
                > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Silesia.
                >
                > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                >
                > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                part of
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                >
                > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                Slovakia.
                >
                > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                Reich.
                >
                > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                Hungary.
                >
                > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                the German
                > Reich.
                >
                > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                Moravia
                > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                >
                > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                >
                > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                >
                > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                Communist
                > control of the republic.
                > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                State
                > Treaty.
                >
                > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                occupied
                > Czechoslovakia.
                >
                > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                with
                > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                >
                > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Frank R. Plichta
                >
                > Galax, Virginia
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                >

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              • Plichta
                Jack, The entire paragraph is a direct quote from The Statesman s Yearbook , Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                Message 7 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                  Jack,



                  The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                  Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                  1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                  Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                  Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                  recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                  Germain-en-Layne (1919).



                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia



                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Gergely
                  Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                  To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



                  Frank,

                  Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                  interests me. I'd like to know more.

                  I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                  subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                  names) was an ethnic area.

                  Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                  of, and what territory did it encompass.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Plichta
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                  Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Nancy,

                  It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                  recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                  (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                  as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                  territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                  the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                  Italy.

                  Frank R. Plichta

                  Galax, Virginia

                  _____

                  From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com] On
                  Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                  To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                  Frank,

                  In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                  the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                  Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                  include both parts to be more accurate.

                  Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                  are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                  Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                  Nancy

                  --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                  yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                  their
                  > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                  origin. Some of
                  > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                  ancestors
                  > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                  > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                  corrections or
                  > additions.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                  Name,
                  > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                  Slovakia
                  > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                  changed
                  > from time to time.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                  additions.
                  > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                  formed the
                  > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                  >
                  > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                  Salzburg,
                  > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                  >
                  > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                  >
                  > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Silesia.
                  >
                  > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                  >
                  > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                  part of
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                  >
                  > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                  Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                  Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                  Hungary.
                  >
                  > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                  the German
                  > Reich.
                  >
                  > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                  Moravia
                  > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                  >
                  > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                  >
                  > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                  >
                  > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                  Communist
                  > control of the republic.
                  > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                  State
                  > Treaty.
                  >
                  > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                  occupied
                  > Czechoslovakia.
                  >
                  > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                  with
                  > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                  >
                  > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Frank R. Plichta
                  >
                  > Galax, Virginia
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                  >

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                • Plichta
                  No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as the
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                    No I did not say that Galicia was Hungarian. I said that the geographical
                    area known as Galicia was a territory within the political entity known as
                    the Kingdom of Hungary.



                    The border is very well defined on my "Central Europe in 1812" as well as
                    the map of "Central Europe, 1815-1866" which shows both the Empire of
                    Austria, Kingdom of Prussia and the Kingdom of Hungary. The source of the
                    maps is: "Historical Atlas" by William R. Shepherd, Professor of History in
                    Columbia University, Fifth Edition Revised, 1926, New York, Henry Holt and
                    Company, printed in Leipzig, Germany. The same maps also appear in the
                    Eighth Edition, 1956 published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, printed in
                    the U.S.A.



                    Frank R. Plichta

                    Galax, Virginia



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                    From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of konekta@...
                    Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:43 AM
                    To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [SPAM] RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History



                    Galicia hungarian?

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                    From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Plichta
                    Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:18 AM
                    To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                    Nancy,

                    After rechecking my 1815-1866 map of Central Europe, the Empire of Austria
                    included Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia and a small portion of Galicia
                    but NO part of Slovakia. Slovakia north to the Carpathian Mountains was all
                    part of Kingdom of Hungary. The area north of the Carpathian Mountains up
                    to the Vistula River was all called Galicia, all of which was in Kingdom of
                    Hungary.

                    Frank R. Plichta

                    Galax, Virginia

                    _____

                    From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com] On
                    Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                    To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                    Frank,

                    In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                    the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                    Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                    include both parts to be more accurate.

                    Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                    are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                    Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                    Nancy

                    --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                    yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                    their
                    > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                    origin. Some of
                    > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                    ancestors
                    > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                    > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                    corrections or
                    > additions.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                    Name,
                    > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                    Slovakia
                    > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                    changed
                    > from time to time.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                    additions.
                    > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                    formed the
                    > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                    >
                    > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                    Salzburg,
                    > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                    >
                    > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                    >
                    > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Silesia.
                    >
                    > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                    >
                    > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                    part of
                    > Czechoslovakia.
                    >
                    > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                    >
                    > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                    Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                    Reich.
                    >
                    > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                    Hungary.
                    >
                    > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                    >
                    > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                    the German
                    > Reich.
                    >
                    > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                    Moravia
                    > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                    >
                    > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                    >
                    > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                    >
                    > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                    Communist
                    > control of the republic.
                    > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                    State
                    > Treaty.
                    >
                    > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                    occupied
                    > Czechoslovakia.
                    >
                    > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                    with
                    > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                    >
                    > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                    >
                    > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Frank R. Plichta
                    >
                    > Galax, Virginia
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >

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                  • Gergely
                    OK, thanks. I ll try to find it. Jack Gergely ... From: Plichta To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: [Slovak-World]
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                      OK, thanks.
                      I'll try to find it.

                      Jack Gergely
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Plichta
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History


                      Jack,

                      The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's Yearbook",
                      Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for the Year
                      1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York, C 1975 The
                      Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                      Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I would
                      recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                      Germain-en-Layne (1919).

                      Frank R. Plichta

                      Galax, Virginia

                      _____

                      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of Gergely
                      Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                      Frank,

                      Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia". This really
                      interests me. I'd like to know more.

                      I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined political area or
                      subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of the related
                      names) was an ethnic area.

                      Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a province
                      of, and what territory did it encompass.

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Plichta
                      To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:55 PM
                      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                      Nancy,

                      It was as a result of the Treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye in 1919, that
                      recognized the Czechoslovak Republic, consisting of the Czech Lands
                      (Bohemia, Moravia, part of Silesia) and Slovakia. To these lands were added
                      as a trust, the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia. This
                      territory was broken up for the benefit of Germany, Poland and Hungary by
                      the Munich Agreement (September 29, 1938) between UK, France, Germany and
                      Italy.

                      Frank R. Plichta

                      Galax, Virginia

                      _____

                      From: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                      [mailto:Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                      yahoogroups.com] On
                      Behalf Of Nancy Revak
                      Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 7:13 PM
                      To: Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [SPAM] [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History

                      Frank,

                      In your entry for 1867-1918, while all of present-day Slovakia was in
                      the Austro-Hungarian Empire, part of it was in the Republic of
                      Austria and part was in the Kingdom of Hungary. You may want to
                      include both parts to be more accurate.

                      Also, where you mention the addition of Ruthenia in 1919-1920, what
                      are you considering Ruthenia? Is it Sub-Carpathia (or Trans-
                      Carpathia) or part of Ukraine?

                      Nancy

                      --- In Slovak-World@ <mailto:Slovak-World%40yahoogroups.com>
                      yahoogroups.com, <plichta@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > There are frequent occasions when folks talk about the origin of
                      their
                      > ancestors and they use modern day names for the location of
                      origin. Some of
                      > the names did not come into existence until years after the
                      ancestors
                      > departed the country of origin and moved on to other countries. The
                      > following list is the result of my research and I welcome any
                      corrections or
                      > additions.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > The information is provided in the order of Effective Date, Country
                      Name,
                      > Included territories. Your attention to called to the terms Czecho-
                      Slovakia
                      > and Czechoslovakia. The use of the hyphen or absence of the hyphen
                      changed
                      > from time to time.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I would appreciate your assistance in providing corrections or
                      additions.
                      > Please provide a source or reference for your information.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > 1867 to 1918, Austria-Hungary Dual Monarchy, Ausgleich of 1867
                      formed the
                      > Empire of Austia and Kingdom of Hungary.
                      >
                      > 1867, Empire of Austria, Includes Lower Austria, Upper Austria,
                      Salzburg,
                      > Tirol, Vorarlberg, Bohemia, Moravia,Silesia and Galicia.
                      >
                      > 1908, Empire of Austria, Austria annexes Bosnia and Herzegovina.
                      >
                      > 10/28/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                      Silesia.
                      >
                      > 11/12/1918, Republic of Austria, Name change.
                      >
                      > 11/14/1918 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Slovakia added and became a
                      part of
                      > Czechoslovakia.
                      >
                      > 1919 to 1920, Czecho-Slovakia, Ruthenia added.
                      >
                      > 1920 to 1938, Czechoslovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                      Slovakia.
                      >
                      > 1938 to 1939, Czecho-Slovakia, Includes Bohemia, Moravia and
                      Slovakia.
                      >
                      > 3/12/1938, Austria, Forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany's Third
                      Reich.
                      >
                      > 3/14/1939, Kingdom of Hungary, Carpatho-Ukraine incorporated into
                      Hungary.
                      >
                      > 3/14/1939 to 4/4/1945, Slovak Republic, Slovakia or Slovak State.
                      >
                      > 3/16/1939 Republic of Slovakia, Slovakia became a Protectorate of
                      the German
                      > Reich.
                      >
                      > 3/16/1939 to 1945, Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Bohemia and
                      Moravia
                      > (Czech lands incorporated in the German Reich).
                      >
                      > 1945 to 1990, Czechoslovakia, Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia.
                      >
                      > 2/1/1946, Republic of Hungary, Hungary proclaimed a republic.
                      >
                      > 8/1949 to 10/23/1989, Communist People's Republic of Hungary,
                      Communist
                      > control of the republic.
                      > 5/15/1955, Republic of Austria, Full independence by the Austrian
                      State
                      > Treaty.
                      >
                      > 8/21/1968, Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, Warsaw Pact forces
                      occupied
                      > Czechoslovakia.
                      >
                      > 1990 to 1992, Czecho-Slovakia and Czechoslovakia, Slovak spelling
                      with
                      > hyphen, Czech spelling without hyphen.
                      >
                      > 1/1/1993, Czech Republic, Bohemia and Moravia.
                      >
                      > 1/1/1993, Slovakia or Slovak Republic, Slovakia.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Frank R. Plichta
                      >
                      > Galax, Virginia
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      >

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                    • vchromoho
                      Subcarpathian Rus (aka Carpatho-Ruthenia ): http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia Carpatho-Ukraine:
                      Message 10 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                        Subcarpathian Rus' (aka "Carpatho-Ruthenia"):
                        http://www.rusyn.org/geosubcarpathian.html
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Ruthenia

                        Carpatho-Ukraine:
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpatho-Ukraine

                        From the first link above:

                        "In documents generated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 the
                        formulation, "territory inhabited by Ruthenians south of the
                        Carpathians," was used; in documents from this period produced by
                        Rusyn-American immigrants the terms Subcarpathian Rus' and Rusinia
                        appeared. It was Czechoslovakia's constitution (1920) which for the
                        first time used as an official name Subcarpathian Rus' (Czech:
                        Podkarpatska Rus), although in some Czech publications the term
                        Rusinsko was employed. Subcarpathian Rus' referred, however, only to
                        the new country's administrative unit, basically east of the Uzh
                        river (eastern Uzh, Bereg, Ugocha, and Maramarosh counties). Other
                        Rusyn-inhabited lands south of the Carpathians that fell under a
                        Slovak provincial administration (in western Uzh, Zemplyn, Sharysh,
                        and *Spish counties) gradually came to be known as the Preshovs'ka,
                        Priashovs'ka Rus', or the *Presov Region. Ukrainian emigres who
                        settled in Subcarpathian Rus' after 1919 used a wide range of names,
                        including Pidkarpats'ka Rus' (Subcarpathian Rus'), Prykarpats'ka
                        Ukraina (Ukraine near the Carpathians), Zakarpats'ka Ukraina
                        (Ukraine beyond the Carpathians), Karpats'ka Ukraina (Carpatho-
                        Ukraine), and even the vague term Sribna Zemlia (The Silver Land).
                        After Czechoslovakia introduced a new territorial-administrative
                        reform (July 1927) the republic was divided into four lands, the
                        farthest east of which received the formal designation, Zeme
                        podkarpatoruska (The Subcarpathian Land).

                        When, on October 11, 1938, the province was given its own autonomous
                        government, Subcarpathian Rus' became again the official name as
                        entered into Czechoslovak constitutional law (November 22, 1938)."

                        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Gergely" <gergely@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > OK, thanks.
                        > I'll try to find it.
                        >
                        > Jack Gergely
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Plichta
                        > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:18 PM
                        > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru History
                        >
                        >
                        > Jack,
                        >
                        > The entire paragraph is a direct quote from "The Statesman's
                        Yearbook",
                        > Statistical and Historical Annual of the States of the World for
                        the Year
                        > 1975-1976, Edited by John Paxton, St. Martin's Press, New York,
                        C 1975 The
                        > Macmillan Press Ltd., p.851. The quote is from the History of
                        > Czechoslovakia (Ceskoslovenska' Socialisticka' Republika). I
                        would
                        > recommend researching the treaty mentioned: The Treaty of St.
                        > Germain-en-Layne (1919).
                        >
                        > Frank R. Plichta
                        >
                        > Galax, Virginia
                        >
                        > _____
                        >
                        > From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-
                        World@yahoogroups.com] On
                        > Behalf Of Gergely
                        > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:33 AM
                        > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Country Name Changes thru
                        History
                        >
                        > Frank,
                        >
                        > Your use of "the autonomous province of Subcarpathian Ruthenia".
                        This really
                        > interests me. I'd like to know more.
                        >
                        > I was never aware that Ruthenia ever existed as a defined
                        political area or
                        > subdivision before. I always thought that Ruthenia (and all of
                        the related
                        > names) was an ethnic area.
                        >
                        > Do you, or anyone else, know when this was, what empire was it a
                        province
                        > of, and what territory did it encompass.
                        >
                      • Plichta
                        ... Martin, I don t make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are well respected and known for their historical accuracy. In The
                        Message 11 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                          >Austria was _not_ a republic during that time. _
                          >Martin



                          Martin,



                          I don't make stuff up. I can only report what I read in sources that are
                          well respected and known for their historical accuracy.



                          In "The Statesman's YearBook" Edited by Brian Hunter, the 132nd Edition
                          dated 1995-96, printed by St. Martin's Press, New York, it states on page
                          156, under the article for Austria (Republik Oesterreich) and I quote
                          directly: "History: Following the break-up of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
                          the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918." It then goes on to
                          say that "On 12 March 1938 Austria was forcibly absorbed into Nazi Germany."



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                          publication, first published in 1864 and is used extensively as a primary
                          reference source for diplomats around the world. The 2007 edition is the
                          142nd year the reference has been published. From their website at:
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                          Frank R. Plichta

                          Galax, Virginia





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                        • Martin Votruba
                          ... I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I quoted that post about it,
                          Message 12 of 22 , Jun 3, 2007
                            > the Republic of Austria was proclaimed on 12 Nov. 1918."

                            I did n-o-t quote you about that, Frank. You did not place the
                            Republic of Austria in the 19th century. Another post did and I
                            quoted that post about it, not yours.

                            > the geographical area known as Galicia was a territory
                            > within the political entity known as the Kingdom of Hungary.

                            It never was.


                            Martin

                            votruba "at" pitt "dot" edu
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