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  • Ron Matviyak
    In addition do some searches using www.lycos.de , the German Lycos. They will have a different variety of hits to investigate, and a fair number of pages will
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      In addition do some searches using www.lycos.de , the German Lycos. They
      will have a different variety of hits to investigate, and a fair number of
      pages will still have an English option. In addition perhaps we should swap
      some e-mails, I have been doing much the same reading in history, only I can
      read German but not Slovak or Rusyn

      Ron

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tarkulich
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:33 AM
      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village name


      Hello Vladimir,
      This is most interesting. I am a history buff and have had a helluva
      time collecting historical accounts of any of the details of day to day
      life of peasants. I've been collecting various historical accounts of
      the region, especially the Rusyn region in NE Slovakia. I've got some
      historical writing by Rusyns local to the region which is most
      interesting and illuminating. The only regional stuff done, out of
      Snina was from the 70s and 80s and reeked of socialistic rhetoric
      ("baloney" in mixed company) - you had to read between every other line
      for truth. It's also interesting to watch the same writer rewriting his
      1970s material into 2000-era material to promote the region. The
      references to "Our great and foreverafter comrades of the Soviet Union"
      are no more....

      It's true that they spend more time documenting the property owners than
      the customs and traditions of their own region. I suppose this may
      because they have been so oppressed for so long. It's kind of like the
      "beaten dog syndrome." After a while, the response become ingrained.

      I'd be interested in what German titles you might recommend for the
      Carpathian region, especially inhabited by the Rusyns. Who are these
      Germans doing the writings? Academics? I wonder what holds their
      interest in a land that they are only marginally affilliated with in the
      present times.

      Regards,
      Bill Tarkulich

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Vladimir Bohinc [mailto:konekta@...]
      Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:03 AM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village name


      Dear Bill,
      what I find interesting is, that the Germans have much better historical
      materials about the settlers, than other ethnics. If you could only read
      german, to see into what kind of details they are going. Writing mostly
      about ordinary people and their lives. In slovak settlement history, you
      can only read about the landlors. Slovakia was settled meny times
      through various ethnic groups, but very few data and stories are
      available. Regards Vladimir

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tarkulich
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 4:42 PM
      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village name


      Hello Vladimir,

      Thank you for your helpful reply. I too, am doing this a a "favor" to
      others, (providing "bites" of data). Since this is Helene's project,
      we'll just give her the data and let her draw her own conclusions. It
      is always good to have two heads review the information.

      Helene, you'll need to ascertain that the name(s) we've advised you on
      do fit the information provided and the cursive script. You need to
      take the next step to corroborate the data.
      That said, we're both pointing at the same region, which is today's
      lower Hungary, or Romania. So I doubt that this is on your
      itinerary...

      Good Luck,
      Bill Tarkulich



      -----Original Message-----
      From: Vladimir Bohinc [mailto:konekta@...]
      Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:24 AM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village name


      Dear Bill,
      Regarding Tergowa district, I think, I took this from some german
      page,
      and it probably means the district as of today, not then. The then
      districts are on the map, which I provided the link for. I think it's
      the #13, Ujmoldoval, yes. I am quite a busy man, so I do not have much
      time to study such details for everyone. Here and there I take a
      "break"
      and try this or that. This is why I said, you can start from here. If
      the spelling provided was misspelled, and there can be several close
      interpretations, then a complete information of the source is needed
      and
      a careful analysis and comparison of all available data is required in
      order to be sure, which place was meant. For this, I unfortunately do
      not have time, although I am always attracted by such enigmas.
      Regards,
      Vladimir
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bill Tarkulich
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: Helenezx@...
      Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:08 PM
      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village
      name


      re:
      "Ebethal or Eibenshal
      Weitzenied"

      Vladimir :
      With all due respect to your fine work,

      1. I will agree with you on Weitzenied = WEITZENRIED, but how did
      you
      ascertain the TERGOWA district of Krassó-Szörény?
      My reference (see below) cites: Weitzenried = SZORENYBUZAS,
      Krassó-Szörény (Krasso-Szoreny) vm, UJMOLDOVAL jaras (district),
      GIRNIC
      (roman) GARNIC (Romanian). This village is in present-day ROMANIA.
      1910 census data: pop 1048, 15 magyar, 1025 czech and moravian; 1028
      roman catholic; 20 greek orthodox

      2. How did you ascertain Ebethal or Eibenshal = WEIDENTHAL
      (=TEMESFOE)
      Krassó-Szörény (Krasso-Szoreny) vm?
      In the same county of Krassó-Szörény (Krasso-Szoreny) vm, I find
      EIBENTHAL = TISZAFA in Krassó-Szörény (Krasso-Szoreny) vm, Orsovai
      district. This looks like a closer handwriting match. Located
      nearly
      at the southernmost tip of the Orsovai district.
      1910 Census data: pop 848,; 31 magyar, 33 germans, 100 romanians,,
      682
      czech and moravian; 733 roman catholic, 101greek orthodox, 9 jew.
      This village is about 15km northwest of Tiszafa

      Sources:
      1. "Magyar Helysegnev-Azonosito Szotar", Talma Konyvkiado, 1998
      2. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/krasso.jpg
      3. "Magyaroszag Kozigazgatasi Atlasza, 1914", Talma Konyvkiado,
      2000







      -----Original Message-----
      From: helenezx@... [mailto:helenezx@...]
      Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:11 AM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Need Help Identifying current village name


      Can anyone locate the following places -

      1) Ebethal or Eibenshal as it appears on a Hungarian document of
      1889

      I am wondering if this was another name for Gbely which was called
      Egbel
      til
      1913.

      2) Weitzenied on a document of 1883.
      Could it be Biely Kostol which was once called Weiskirchen?

      they mention on the hungarian document an "egyhazmegy" think this
      means
      county in Hungarian - but don't recognize what is written there as a
      county "
      Knasso-Szoreny" as best i can decipher. or maybe this is the diocese
      and
      the
      county or place is next as "varmegyebe kebelezett and written there
      is
      Nep.
      Sz. Yanosval nevezek Eibenshali (lovely old script but hard to read)


      After one name Fiala Maria - appears the word leámya - does anyone
      know
      what
      this means?

      Sure appreciate your help

      helene


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