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  • Nemam Meno
    Oct 11, 2011
      Ben:

      I have JD and PhD degrees, both from the US institutions, clearly.  Your defensive style is an ad hominem attack; and only because you categorically failed to articulate a proper answer on FP.  You are somewhat a stereotypical person and your association to your wife does not make you nearly familiar with the Slovak culture; yet you labor under the impression that your word has no opposing argument, that is, a form of dogmatism. Let me introduce you to another fallacy: faulty causality; very common among people who read one page and declared to have written the book.

      There is, however, a fine side to you - somewhat Slovakian in nature: you fight for your word by backing it up; and that is admirable. To me, sadly and gladly, you are still a local "gadzo."

      Ta-ta

      --- On Tue, 10/11/11, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:

      From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky
      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
      Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 2:03 PM
















       









      Hmm. Ok. 

      I did not know that we are informal.  How presumptuous. 



      Evanjelici are Lutherans, although from your answers to Martin and to me, I expect some type of antisemitic rationalization.  



      I was thinking of North America, and not just the USA.  I am not so provincial. 



      _takzvani Slovaci, ktori prisli do US boli z vidieckeho, zidovskeho, a nevzdelaneho prostredia_



      Ok, so where are YOU from? My wife has a doctorate, from Nitra, and lives in the USA.  None of us are Jews or uneducated.  I did, however, grow up on a farm, and my wife in a village.  MOST of Slovakia is still-ahem- "vidiek," and that is part of its "caro." Perhaps the wisdom of your forefathers was lost on you... I honor the fields and the universities; and good people are good people, be they from Spis, Saris, Bratislava, or even, gasp, Jewish!  Nemate meno, you have some real issues that you may need to examine.  Your hatred for Americans, your thinking that all Americans with Slovak roots being parochial, and your utter disrespect in your "answers" (I can also point to some writings on Slovak Roots) proves that you must find yourself to be a small, insignificant person and the anonymity offered by this list helps you inflate that undersized self-worth of yours.  I am not going to even begin on the obvious antisemitic sentiments inherent

      here. 



      You can inflate your own ego at redtube.com or somewhere else.  Please leave this group for people who want to have productive conversations.  Or actually join into them.  How novel.



      I am certainly no Galileo, and my comment was perfectly in line.  But your comments insult average intelligence everywhere.  And still no "podpis." Uz chapem preco "Nemate meno."  Oh, and please learn to use punctuation.



      Ben



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      From: Nemam Meno <menonemam@...>

      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:49 AM

      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



       

      Ben:



      ...v poriadku, ked uz tak vrucne pises neopodstatnene myslienky.... ocividne, nevies rozdiel mezi cestinou a slovenciou - to je prvorade.... tvoje myslenie je presne to, co so popisal.... nikto nenapisal o katolizme... pisal so o najsilnejsej kniznici o Palackom... Palackeho utec bol evanjelicky knaz, tak nepis o Luteranoch...



      Tvoje ortodogicke pozadie len potvrduzje judaisticke konexie, ktore v tebe otasli. A bud taky laskavy, nepis o "Amerike," ked tym myslis USA. Je velky intelektualny rozdiel medzi statmi v severnej amerike.



      ... mimochodom,  takzvani Slovaci, ktori prisli do US boli z vidieckeho, zidovskeho, a nevzdelaneho prostredia... cest vynimkam, ale ti prisli z politickych dovodov....



      ... a posledne... prosim ta, neporovnavaj sa ku Galileovi... takym hlupym, ale typickym komentom USA-cana urazas aj Talianov aj Slovakov.



      --- On Tue, 10/11/11, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:



      From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>

      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky

      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>

      Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 11:43 AM



       



      Ok, so his passages about Hus and his followers were certainly not written by a Catholic; his writings have been considered "uncatholic," and Palacky's family were overwhelmingly Lutherans.  But, since you want him to be a Catholic Slovak so badly, then I guess I will concede, just like Galileo conceded his point: obviously the facts point elsewhere, but I will agree with you.  Palacky still wrote his history in Czech, was born to a Moravian Lutheran family, and died in Prague.  



      I write in Slovak and English, am Orthodox, and have a Danish and Scottish family, but for you I will be a Zoroastrian Turk. Or a Baptist Croat.  Or is this just another faulty American analogy?  I am glad that I know enough laudable Slovaks that I do not have to draw the conclusions that all Slovaks in the American diaspora are parochial in their understanding of culture and history, and just outright mean, grumpy, and irrationally condescending,  though we often see examples of THESE particular qualities on this list (you get three guesses from whom).  



      I believe I will lend credence to the man who has single-handedly kept Pitt at the top of the list in Slavic language departments, is widely published in academia, and has dedicated his life to the pursuit of understanding, teaching, and disseminating facts about Slovak culture, economy, and language as well as immigration, the Slovak diaspora in North America, and dialects extant there over someone who has yet to identify himself/herself.  



      Ben



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      From: Nemam Meno <menonemam@...>



      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



      Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:24 AM



      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



       



      .. you missed the point... it's not about finding FP's gymanzium; rather that it was the first one named after him with the strongest Catholic community and an extensive library on him.... your Masaryk comment is nothing but a faulty analogy.. quite frequently found in the U.S. community



      --- On Tue, 10/11/11, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:



      From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>



      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



      Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 3:48 AM



       



      Probably true that the Magyars did not name him "Frantisek," but finding the Gymnazium Frantiska Palackeho does not make him any more Slovak than finding "Aviende Presidente Masaryk" make Tomas Masaryk a Mexican.  



      My thanks to Martin for the leads, and the book on Google.  I am making great headway into this semester; but I am ready for a break, methinks. :-)  Oh, what I would not give for a better Czech and Slovak library nearby!



      Ben 



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      From: Nemam Meno <menonemam@...>



      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



      Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 11:21 AM



      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



       



      Frantisek Palacky was not Slovak?  Since he pretty much died 45 years before the first Czechoslovak republic was established, you can hardly call him by his citizenship. I am sure, however, that the Magyars did not name him "Frantisek."



      If you want to know anything about him, all you have to do is contact nuns at the Gymnazium Frantiska Palackeho in Bratislava - you will be surprised by your "non-Slovak" comment.



      Ta-ta, F



      --- On Mon, 10/10/11, Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...> wrote:



      From: Ben Sorensen <cerrunos1@...>



      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



      To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>



      Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 2:24 PM



       



      Thank you very much, Martin!



      I am startled by how little is available on Charles IV.  I have his autobiography, and another work on his travels to France (in Czech), but aside from some encyclopedic entries and a disparaging blurb by Edward Gibbon, there really is not much on this guy that I am finding.  Even JSTOR is about dry... So much for the author of the Golden Bull and the "Father of the Czech Lands!" Karelstein is a nice castle, and there are some nice statues of him.  St. Vitus Cathedral is also a good memorial to that man, but somewhere you would think that SOMETHING more would be written about him!



      Ben



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      From: votrubam <votrubam@...>



      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



      Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 1:24 AM



      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: Frantisek Palacky



       



      > I know that Frantisek Palacky is not Slovak



      He spent a lot of his formative years in Slovakia, from around the age of 10 till 24. He graduated from the Lutheran college in Bratislava.



      > Charles IV, I am betting his work will be very helpful



      I wouldn't hold my breath given the difference between what's known about history today and what they knew then, but here it is:



      <http://tinyurl.com/3pt3q3u>



      Martin



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