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  • allanstevo
    May 19, 2011
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      Vilo,
      I agree with Larry. That's a strong summary of controversial opinions very well presented. Thank you.
      Allan
      www.52inSk.com

      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:
      >
      > Ahoj Larry,
      >
      > Thanks for the complement. I was hesitant to respond because I did not want to
      > start "war" over this. I never wanted our people to be thought of as nazi.
      > They were no more nazi than our own and the British Governments, who did nothing
      > when this was happening and only responding when the damage was already done.
      >
      > I have always believed that their "guilt" over allowing the massacers was the
      > reason for giving away Palestinian lands to the Jews, which has created a
      > similar human destruction and displacement, (of Palestinians), which continues
      > today. I realize that these peoples had no other place to go after their
      > liberation but...........
      >
      > I worked and lived in the Mid East for 20 years, witnessing the destruction of
      > Lebanon, the "Pearl of the Mediterranean" and other places there where displaced
      > Palestinians lived. These places were and are called "camps" but are cities
      > where these poor, starving peoples reside Some of my best friends were
      > displaced Palestinians, so I have "both sides of the story".
      >
      > I probably will not live long enough to see a Palestinian State but have long
      > prayed for their freedom. I have a good friend whose land in East Jerusalem has
      > been recently been confiscated. It had been in his family for over 1,000 years.
      >
      > It is indeed a sad time for all of them.
      >
      > Z Bohom,
      >
      > Vilo
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: "lkocik@..." <lkocik@...>
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 2:45:53 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Vilo
      >
      > For once in my life I'm speechless. I never save emails but I printed this one
      > out.
      >
      >
      > Thank you for sharing Vilo. I'll write again after I digest everything you
      > wrote. It's very powerful and moving.
      >
      >
      > Larry----- Original Message -----
      > From: "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...>
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:12:27 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia
      >
      > Larry,
      >
      > I have never read any articles or books which were complimentary toward the
      > forst Slovak republik. I had relatives and friends who lived in Slovakia during
      >
      > WWII.
      >
      > These people all related stories to me concerning the war and especially toward
      > the end and after, when the first wave of Russians came through. None of these
      > people were anti Jewish. They all had been proud that for the first time,
      > Slovaks were governing themselves and were complimentary of what the Government
      > accomplished, especially on the infrastructure,such as regulating the Morava
      > river, which prevented floods, which were common, each year.
      >
      > The Old Film, Obchod na Korze, Shop on Main Street, was a propaganda film but it
      >
      > gives one a picture of what it might have been like before the war. In Kuty,
      > businesses were owned by Jews only and it had been that way since all of the
      > people were born.
      >
      > This was because the Jews were given the task of tax collecting, by the
      > Hungarian rulers. That way, the people would not think of them as "Thieves".
      > My Grand mother used to tell us, "The king took 50% and the Jews, 40%..There was
      >
      > no Slovak school, in the town but there was a Jewish one. Gramma was not anti
      > Jewish but wanted to give us a picture of her life then
      >
      > If you understand the "way it was", you might understand why the people were
      > apathetic about the roundup of those people and their "deportation". Our people
      >
      > had no idea that the Jews would be slaughtered and when they finally found out,
      > they began hiding any Jews they knew about.
      >
      > One friend and his co-workers, hid a Jew in the office until the wars end. If
      > they were caught by the Germans, they would have been executed.
      >
      > The Hlinkova Garda was portrayed as some sort of SS troopers but they were the
      > soldiers of the day and were responsible for rounding up Jews for deportation.
      >
      > By the time they found that the Jews were being executed, the Jews had already
      > gone away.
      >
      > Father Augustine Zan, was our assistant Pastor here. He had been a secretary to
      >
      > Monsignor Jozef Tiso. He was a good friend of mine in my High School years and
      > told me many tales as we walked along country roads here.
      >
      > At the wars end, when the coimmunists were killing the goverment leaders, the
      > people hid father, in the bell tower, until they could devise a plan to smuggle
      > him to Germany, where he was chaplain to Slovak escapees.
      >
      > The communists fabricated a picture of Father Zan, standing among bodies,
      > holding a pistol, as if he had killed all. They then forwarded the Photo to
      > many embassies. They then followed him to his town in Germany and the German
      > Government sent him to Rome. He was then sent to the Albany NY diocese.
      >
      > When I think of those days and what the Nazis did, I also remember the suffering
      >
      > of the millions of non-Jews who were also killed. These included people of many
      >
      > nations as well as many who aged, infirm, mental etc. They also were
      > slaughtering Gypsies and homosexuals.
      >
      > I spent 4 years in the USAF but only aafter the Korean war ended so I did not
      > experience war. However, my Mother's sister, was an Army nurse and participated
      >
      > in the second wave at Normandy. She proceeded with the forces, all the way to
      > Vienna. Her stories were very shocking and thank God she survived.
      >
      > Books concerning the experience of Jews, are numerous. The Israeli Government
      > has been complimentary toward the Slovak people and their actions during those
      > times.
      >
      > As the German Army was leaving, some of them knocked on the doors and warned the
      >
      > people to hide their young daughters and any valuables they had because the
      > Russians were coming. They knew that this wave were mostly uneducated mongols
      > that were pillaging and raping .
      >
      > My cousins Grandmother was raped, on her death bed.!
      >
      > All of these stories and memories makes me appreciate how far our people have
      > come and how adaptive they have been to the changes in their lives.
      >
      > Z Bohom,
      >
      > Vilo
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: "lkocik@..." <lkocik@...>
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 12:32:04 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia
      >
      >
      >
      > Ron
      >
      > Thank you for the recommendation. I will look into the book.
      >
      > I do realize everything I find will not be pleasant, but I want to know the
      > truth. I also understand people do what they have to just to survive. I'm a
      > veteran of a foriegn war, but it was "over there" and after I served my time I
      > got to come home. I can't begin to imagine what atrocities the Eastern Europeans
      >
      > civilians had to suffer in WW2, so I have no right to judge . Knowing myself for
      >
      > as long as I have, I have to wonder if I would have been able to stand up and be
      >
      > counted among what the J ews called "the rightous". I would hope I could, but I
      >
      > have to be honest and say probably not.
      >
      > With the communists, nazis, Hungarians and even Moravians...was there ever
      > a time in history when the Slovaks weren't under someone's thumb?
      >
      > Larry---- Original Message -----
      > From: "Ron" <amiak27@...>
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:11:29 PM
      > Subject: [Slovak-World] WW II in Slovakia
      >
      > Larry,
      >
      > You said "... to understand the role of Slovaks in WW2"
      >
      > War topics get way too much attention, but the public demands it. I burned out
      > on wars a long time ago, but can recommend a book I recently discovered, one
      > that presents Slovaks and Poles and Jewish victims at Auschwitz without the
      > finger pointing that has become de rigueur.
      >
      > "Escape from Hell: The True Story of the Auschwitz Protocol
      > by Alfred Wetzler"
      >
      > The bad guys are the fascists (mostly German, but also some Poles and Slovaks),
      > and the good guys are the Resistance, the communists (then our allies and
      > certifiably anti-fascist). Heroic people presented to us are taken from the
      > Jewish, the Poles and the Slovaks.
      >
      > The book was published during the communist times in 1963 and was only
      > translated from the Slovak into English in 2007.
      >
      > If the topic interests you then certainly it is a book to be recommended.
      > Returning to your wish to understand, it also presents an interesting window on
      >
      > everyday life and values of our peoples back then.
      >
      > Ron
      > P.S. The escape route from Auschwitz was across the mountains to Cadsa in NW
      > Slovakia.
      >
      > Escape from Hell: The True Story of the Auschwitz Protocol
      > by Alfred Wetzler
      > ISBN 1-84545-183-X or hardback ISBN 978-1-84545-183-7
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, lkocik@ wrote:
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      > >
      > >
      > > Allen
      > >
      > > Â About your web site www.52insk.com
      > >
      > > Â Very insightful. I've tried for years to understand the role of Slovaks in
      > >WW2, but being such a sensitive subject, it was hard to find such an objective
      > >explanation. I also share your thoughts on neo-nazi types in present day
      > >Bratislava, which of course applies to their ilk everywhere.
      > >
      > > Thank you Allen; I put your site on my "favorite places".
      > >
      > > Larry Kocik
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