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  • Pamela White
    May 2, 2011
      I find both Martin and Larry's imput making me curious.
      I will have to go back and find the dates of how the R and L and C and z and CZ changed to see how the time line on it may explain part of it. Wish I could do it today but with the first wedding almost 2 weeks away and the next daughter on its heel I am one busy mommy!
      Will get to it soon thought so I can get everyone's input on the changes in the name. FYI my twin daughters born on my birthday are both getting married this year.

      The first sighting I remember off the top of my head is Martin Rolenz born in Egbell 9/21/1743 to Joanne Rolenz and Maria (daughter of Michal Martinkovics, I believe him to be my Martin Rolenz married 7/12/1768 Egbell, Austrian-Hungarian Empire now Gbely, Slovakia (Manzelstvá), 1710-1780 (Inv. c. 839) page 558 image 33 to Anna Matulka or Matulova.

      I struggle reading some of the old records written in Slovak so I have struggled to prove that the Martin born 1743 is this Martin married 1768.
      Children: of Martin Rolenc and Anna Matulova/Matulka 3 of which I found in records and one I think might be theirs.


      1 M: Andreas Rolenc

      Birth: 18 Nov 1770 Egbell, Austrian-Hungarian Empire now Gbely, Slovakia image 170


      2 F: Anna Rolenc

      Birth: 1773 Egbell, Austrian-Hungarian Empire now Gbely, Slovakia image 178 not sure of month


      3 M: Paulus "Pavol" Lorenc Rol'nik (Rol'nik was what the Slovak record request showed)

      This is my husband's line

      Birth: 4 Dec 1774 Egbell, Austrian-Hungarian Empire now Gbely, Slovakia image 3

      Spouse: Barbora Kocakova

      Marriage: 14 Nov 1797 Egbell, Austrian-Hungarian Empire now Gbely, Slovakia image 31


      4 M: Martin (no proof yet Martin is son of Martin) Rolenc

      Spouse: Maria Medlenova (Medlen)

      Hopefully I can get time soon to go back and look at this again. I look forward to seeing what this Slovak group thinks.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: lkocik@...
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:36 AM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Gbely households

      Hi Pam

      I'm interested in your question about the name Rolenc becoming Lorenc[z]. I have no answer, but have the same situation in my family tree...the "R" and "L" switching places in the Rolencz name. I have to wonder if this is unique to Gbely and maybe a particular dyslexic scribe, since it happened in my family in the early 1800's too. If it was a transcription error it would have been noticed and corrected in subsequent entries I would think. You also mention Lorenc sometimes ending in "c" and sometimes in "z". In my lineage it is most usually ended in "cz".

      With respect;
      Your far distant cousin; Larry

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Pamela White" <pamelacw@...>
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 2:47:24 PM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Gbely households

      Pavel Lorenc' father was Vincent Lorenc and Vincent was a brother to my husbands grreat grandfather Ludwig. It took me years to prove the connection, but finally have the church records for proof.
      Because Ludwig often went by Lorenz not Lorenc and Pavel children switched to Lorence in most cases, they did not believe me when I told them they were related. Richard's children were thrilled to see all I had found.

      I still am not sure how they went from Rolenc to Lorenc in the early 1800's, anyone know why that change would come about?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: William C. Wormuth
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:38 PM
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Gbely households

      I agree with you Franta,

      My Grandmothers Birth Home, (the first in the town to have a tile roof), is
      Kuty100, Located on Bratislavska Ulica.


      Although the house numbers remain, it does not indicate the family still lives
      there. Pavel Lorenc's brother moved to Kuklov, where he raised his children. I
      knew his wife and visited her often as did his nephew Richard Lorenc, (from
      Johnstown, NY), now deceased.
      I did meet a son who lived in Malacky and visited his mother very often.
      The Lady was extremely proud of her "Old Fashioned Home" and kept the
      traditional brick, and tiled stove in her kitchen. Pani Loerncova was Really
      nice lady. My friends aunt, Helena Somolana, was her best friend and neighbor.
      All are now gone.

      Z Bohom,


      From: Plichta <plichta@...>
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sat, April 30, 2011 9:15:59 PM
      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Gbely households


      More than likely you will find the house numbers.

      In some villages, the houses have been renumbered but the old numbers are
      still on the house. The new numbers are a different color. As I recall the
      change was made because originally the numbers were issued in the date
      sequence that the houses were built, i.e., in chronically order. But
      because the villages have grown in size it was necessary to renumber the
      houses in sequence along the main streets.


      Frank Plichta

      "Searching the World for PLICHTAs"


      From: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Pamela White
      Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:20 PM
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Gbely households

      In the old church records they refer to people belonging to households.
      For example, the Lorenc line I am researching is house #240
      do they still use that system today?
      If I went to Slovakia could I find that house 240?

      I have no Slovak blood but married a very americanized 1/4 slovak man and he
      knew nothing of his slovak history.
      I have searched for years and am now finding many things!

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