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  • lkocik@comcast.net
    Jan 4, 2010
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      Vilo
      Please.. write more on this subject. You obviously have intense feelings and a deep base of knowledge on this era of Slovak history.
      I tried to provoke some meaningful dialouge with my email on the subject but fear I might have came across as too abrasive, or negative. I also feel I stepped on some toes by too casually mentioning the ties some[ an extremely small minority] Slovaks had with the Nazi party.I'm sorry for the way I phrased it, I wasn't trying to imply anything. I have no jewish blood that I'm aware of, but
      ever since my childhood, nothing has upset me more than the holacost....
      What I can't understand is how everyone including the catholic church, turned a blind eye to it. But there again, I'm expressing my personal, pathetic, emotional opion. I'm not looking to blame any one group ...and without living there in those times, and with my very limited "textbook" knowledge, I have no right to form any opion.
      That's what leads me to respectfully ask for your insight on those years between the great wars.
      The thought has also crossed my mind that maybe this forum is not the proper place for this subject, so if anyone objects please feel free to tell me.
      Thank you Vilo and the others that have replied.
      Larry Kocik----- Original Message -----
      From: William C. Wormuth
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:35:46 +0000 (UTC)
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Question on decimated village













      We are now entering into the politics of the First Republic, formed by Monsignor Jozef Tiso.



      I believe that he formed the Republic, legitimately, for the good and (safety), of the Slovak people. I do not support the propaganda that Monsignor Tiso was a "Nazi, who supported the killing of the Jewish and Gypsy populations".



      Before the formation of the 1st Republic, (and following the war, up to the 2nd Republic), the Czech led Governments treated the Slovaks as second class citizens, who were not capable of anything except farming and labor. The original agreements of the Dohoda were put aside by Tomas Masaryk. For example, (which some might consider Unimportant but which effected many Slovaks) was, Republic was to be oficially named, CzechoSlovakia. Later, the government "dropped the capital "S" and Slovaks remained second class.



      School children were obliged to learn Czech and Slovaks had little or no political voice.


      In My Grandmothers village, (Kúty), in western Slovakia had a mayor, who had his position because his wife was Czech. All business, with the exceptionof restaurants and bars, in the village were owned by people who were Jews.



      The Envy and in some cases hatred of Jews, stemmed from the Hungarian rule. The King appointed the Jews as tax collectors, in order to clear his name as a tax collector. The statement I heard from our people, when I was a child was, "The Magyars took 50% and the Jews 40% and we ad to live on the remaining 10% of our incomes.".



      The dreams of the Slovaks in the afore mentioned film, were no different than those of our immegrant forefathers. They wanted to improve their lives and perhaps someday to return home and have their own businesses.



      The film, shop on Main Street, ( Obchod na Korze ), was meant as a " Propaganda tool", for the Czechoslovak Communist Government alienate any Political influence of the Slovaks.



      The dreams of the Slovaks in the film, were no different than those of our immigrant forefathers. They wanted to improve their lives and perhaps someday to return home and have their own businesses.



      Following the realization that the German Nazi's were killing these people our people began to hide Jews in homes and factories.



      It was unfortunate that the Slovak "army", Hlinkova Garda, was required to arrest and help in the deportion of the Jewish population, which gave them an image of SS troops.



      The government of Monsingior Tiso began the buildup of the infrastructure of the country and made other gains. The reason for my writing this is because I EXTREMELY detest the labeling of the 1st Republic as " as "Nazi", thus supporting the hanging of the Monsignor, exactly as intended by the communists.



      I hope that I have demonstrated the fact that were many factors included in forming of the Republic as well as the support of Slovaks. Historians look upon the war fthrough different eyes thean the people who lived it. There was not 100% good in the republic and neither was there 100% bad. The same can be said the rule of communists.



      Did any of you members ever met Father Augustine Zan, who was a chaplain for the sisters of Sts. Cyril and Method? He was a Secretary to Monsignior Tiso until the end of WW Two. He was good man whose base of existence was to be "First a Priest and Second a Slovak". His story is for another time. Nech Ban Boh dajim Sväteho Pokoji.



      Vilo



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      w entering into the "Politic" of thrFrom: William F Brna <wfbrna@...>


      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com


      Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 7:11:25 AM


      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Question on decimated village



      Yes, and there were Slovaks who were not Nazi sympathizers. There are


      three Brnas listed as "Righteous Gentiles" in the Holocaust Museum in


      Washington and at Yad Vashem in Israel. The grandfather of one of the


      families that I have stayed with saved at least three Jewish families.


      He had double-walled buildings on his farm. Whenever anyone came around,


      the Jewish families hid between the walls. I stayed at what remained of


      the farm, but the buildings were no longer in existence.



      Bill Brna



      On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:57:06 +0000 (UTC) lkocik@comcast. net writes:



      Helene... et al


      There were Czechs and Slovaks that profiited from the war at the cost of


      their countrymen. There were Nazi sympathizers and actuaul Nazi party


      members among the citizenery of both countries too. This is a gut


      wrenching and uncomfortable reality but needs to be kept an "in your


      face" subject. ----- Original Message -----


      From: votrubam


      To: Slovak-World@ yahoogroups. com


      Sent: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:26:41 +0000 (UTC)


      Subject: [Slovak-World] Question on decimated village



      > My brother-in-law was here the other day and said he



      > saw a show on the history channel that talked about a



      > town in Slovakia



      Time to show him a map of Central Europe, perhaps? Not in Slovakia:



      <http://tinyurl. com/y924q6a>



      And as others have said, most people (not all) were killed, not just the


      children. About 20 percent of the children were spared, because they had


      traits of the "superior race."



      Martin



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