18548Re: [Slovak-World] Re: marriage witnesses
- Aug 1, 2007The same "elders" keep coming up as witnesses at my
gram's Orthodox church in Cleveland as well -- and
they were also godparents to a lot of the children as
well -- so yes, I'd say your theory is pretty sound,
at least in my research. I'll bet they also assisted
or sponsored a lot of the immigrants, but don't have
proof of that, that's just MY theory.
--- Gregory J Kopchak <greg@...> wrote:
> Helen, Andrea, Julie and All____________________________________________________________________________________
> We have lots of Slovak Wedding Traditions at
> For what ever reason, the subject of Witnesses at
> Slovak weddings
> never turned up at the site.
> There are a couple interesting theories here.
> The Godfather theory.
> The Respected member theory.
> After digging through a couple hundred Slovak Church
> records here this
> morning, I have a theory and only a theory.
> The witness at a Slovak wedding was a respected
> member of the
> community. It seems that the same person was witness
> to multiple
> marriages over years and based on age, was a
> respected member of the
> Does anyone have facts to support either theory?
> Greg Kopchak
> It's All Relative
> --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Fedor"
> <hfed@...> wrote:
> > I remember my mother telling me, years ago, that
> godfathers had a
> role in weddings (eastern Slovakia), in addition to
> sitting at a place
> of honor at the celebration, the main table or
> somewhere nearby. The
> godfather of the groom was the groom's "pitac~", the
> "asker". It was
> he who would formally ask the bride's parents for
> permission for the
> young man to marry their daughter.
> > I also seem to remember that the bride's godfather
> (why not the
> godmother? or the maid of honor?) would "assist" the
> bride as she
> asked forgiveness of her family before marrying.
> She'd first kneel
> down in front of her parents and ask them to forgive
> her for any
> wrongs she might have done them, then do the same
> for her siblings.
> Whether this extended to others in her family
> living in the same house or elsewhere, aunts and
> uncles, cousins) I'm
> not sure. I can see how this may have come about,
> as the bride often
> left her family and went to live with her new
> family, sometimes a
> distance away.
> > H
> > >>> "Andrea Vangor" <drav@...> 07/31/07 8:54 PM
> > That's an outstanding question.
> > I have a popular relative who turns up a few times
> around 1800.
> Thinking it over, didn't we learn at one time that
> the wedding
> witnesses were supposed to be the original
> godfathers of the bride and
> groom? Of course they may also have played starring
> roles at the wedding.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: J Michutka
> > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:43 PM
> > Subject: [Slovak-World] marriage witnesses
> > I'm going through Slovak village marriage
> records in the late 1800s,
> > and finding that some names occur many times in
> the marriage witness
> > column. For example, one relative I'm tracking
> shows up 8 times
> > between 1887 and 1894, and I dare say I'll see
> him some more before
> > his death in 1905. Some of the weddings at which
> he was a witness
> > were of people with whom he had a family
> connection (cousins, in-
> > law's siblings), but for other weddings there is
> no apparent
> > connection by blood or marriage (and I have the
> family pretty well
> > mapped).
> > The question has arisen as to whether we can
> make any assumptions
> > about these people whose names appear with much
> greater frequency as
> > marriage witnesses. Were they simply more
> popular? considered more
> > religious? In the case of the relative, there is
> no indication of
> > higher social status or money, although family
> stories say that he
> > loved to dance, so he may have been a friendly
> sociable fellow. In
> > contrast, siblings of his seldom appear as
> marriage witnesses in the
> > records, and when they do, it's almost always
> for another sibling's
> > wedding.
> > One related question--these people named in the
> marriage records as
> > witnesses--always 2 men--would they have been
> the same as the best
> > man (druzba) and the zvac (inviter)? Sorry if it
> seems like the
> > answer should be obvious, but with the
> difference in time and place,
> > I try not to make assumptions, even for
> seemingly obvious questions.
> > So my question stands.
> > Thanks for any insights,
> > Julie Michutka
> > jmm@...
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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