17796Re: Our ancestors
- Apr 5, 2007I will add to that a reference to our northern neighbors, the Poles.
After the war they built the giant steelworks next to Kracow - Nova
Huta. I take huta to mean any high-temperature smelting operation,
steel, glass or otherwise.
I was surprised and delighted to once run across a stone tower in the
eastern USA, off in the woods. It was listed locally as a very early
steelworks! It looked to be not much more than a stone chimney...
but our ancestors had to start somewhere.
--- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Helen Fedor" <hfed@...> wrote:
> In dictionaries, just "huta" is given as "smelting works" or
"smeltery". The 1997 SAP dictionary also has "sklarska huta" as a
"glass works". The historical dictionary (_Historicky slovnik
slovenskeho jazyka_) gives 'smelting works' as definition #1, while
#2 has "zavod na sklarske a i nekovove vyrobky" (a works for glass and
other non-metal products), giving two examples (the earliest example
from 1585) of "sklenna huta". "Huta" can also be used with other
adjectives, such as "solna huta" (salt works) and "syrkova [sirovy]
huta" (sulphur works).
> >>> helene cincebeaux <helenezx@...> 04/04/07 10:26 PM >>>
> Ron, enjoyed what you and Vlad wrote. So many of the tools in the
Slovak museums and skansens are so beautifully made and decorated.
> Re "huta" I had heard that a "huta" was a place where glass was
made - like a glass works - there are a nujmber of places in Slovakia
that have a smaller place nearby that the name ends in "Huta". I was
told this about Livovska Huta near Bardejov.
> i would love to have someone confirm that this is true or does
huta mean foundry or factory also?
> amiak27 <rmat@...> wrote:
> You bring up a good point, Vlad. We have a hand axe in the
> reputed to have been forged by our grandfather. That is one topic I
> have never brought up with the cousins in Sulin, and I have never
> heard reference to a blacksmith shop or local forging. There was a
> glass foundry, presumably to produce glass for bottles of the exported
> Sulin water, though again I never heard of a bottle factory, just the
> 'hutta' or foundry. Neighboring Maly Lipnik also produced glass from
> what I read.
> It seems tough to run across English language references that speak of
> any tools in the Slavic lands. There are write-ups and sketches in
> the Ethnography Atlas and English write-ups in 'Slovakia, European
> Contexts of the Folk Culture'. A visit to the Ethnographic Museum in
> Budapest is recommendable for anyone passing through that beautiful
> city. They have a great display of folk costumes, houses and tools on
> display for many of the different peoples that lived in old Greater
> Hungary. The two newsletters produced by Helena C. and Vlad L. may
> occasionally touch on the topic, but I can't recall of any articles at
> the moment.
> I was fortunate to see some of the wooden wagons and tools on my first
> visits to Slovakia and even helped toss up a hay stack or two, which
> taught e how they get those tall, thin parabolic haystacks (on the
> stem of a fir tree). It makes me wonder how big the haystack was
> that my great-uncle hid in to get away from Franz Josef's troops.
> They tore his pants with the pitchfork but did not get him for WW I.
> Our western history certainly short-changes central and Eastern Europe
> when it comes to writing up everything from hand tools to home made
> musical instruments. In America we automatically think of Scotland
> for bag pipes and Switzerland for alpine horns, but both were part of
> life in the Carpathians as well. When we think of skiing we think
> perhaps of Scandinavia or the Alps, but during Pugachev's revolt in
> Russia, around the time of the American Revolution, they fielded
> armies of troops on skis for the winter fighting. We tend to think of
> these things as isolated in use or development and not in terms of how
> international or widespread they were. We need more people expanding
> upon these aspects of our history - if there is a paying market for
> this in the English language world.
> Now I do expect most thoughts will spring to farm and household
> instruments rather than cottage industry or village industry
> activities. We can see these tools in the Skansens in Slovakia, but
> finding a write-up on how they were made or the woods that were chosen
> for which purpose is lacking. The closest I come to that is a book
> from East Germany, "Historische Werkstatten" from 1989. He takes an
> even 50 occupations for different trades and describes in pictures and
> words how they went about their business in the old days. Assuming
> that similar technology spread all over Europe, the book gives a good
> indication of what life was like for the different trades.
> In Sulin the Creek Palenicky jarok translates to 'Charcoal Creek" in
> Slovak or the preferable "Distillery Creek" in Rusyn. It would be
> nice to know if the landlord had an official distillery there or if
> the citizens were so industrious on their own.... I have read about
> how impoverished the itinerant charcoal makers were, and it is
> fascinating to read how they built and carefully maintained the
> charcoal producing mounds.
> Sulin also had a flour mill that is now in the Skansen below Stara
> Lubovna castle. I must wonder how many planted acres does it take to
> support a flour mill, the family of the miller and his helpers, and
> provide a share of income for the local lord as well. In the same
> fashion, I also wonder how many pounds of grapes it takes to produce a
> liter of wine. (that later is more of a south-Slovakia question!)
> Back on the farm, I believe there is a passage in Michener's "Poland"
> that describes how a farmer guided and shaped the growth of several
> trees so that they would form pitch forks, and as one wore out the
> next one would be properly developed for harvesting and use.
> It was evidently a fascinating world we know so little about. Thanks
> for bringing up the topic. I hope we get some interesting replies!
> --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, <konekta@> wrote:
> > One thought came to my mind;
> > Everybody is so interested in churches, homes, weddings,
> > but not a single person ever expressed interest in tools ancestors
> were > using every day in their hard work. Tools, that mostly were
> home made. Many > out of wood.
> > There was nothing they did without tools.
> > Once I visited an old house in Myjava hills, which was bought by
> Bratislava > guy, to use it as a weekend cottage.
> > This man burned all the tools he found there in one big fire. What a
> sad > view to see those brave companions of Myjava men being turned to
> ashes. A > tool can speak volumes.
> > Vladimir
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