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Re: Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

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  • Ron Ginger
    ... Have you set the PMW spindle control entries on the smoothstepper config screen? You find it under the plugins config menu ron ginger
    Message 1 of 11 , Sep 19, 2013
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      > Posted by:kaerickson@... kerickson
      > Date: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:31 pm ((PDT))
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      > Is there something else I need to do for the USB Smooth Stepper?
      > I've done everything else you pointed out.

      Have you set the PMW spindle control entries on the smoothstepper config
      screen? You find it under the plugins config menu

      ron ginger
    • Ken Condal
      I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work. Have you read this article?
      Message 2 of 11 , Sep 19, 2013
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        I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

         

        Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

         

        Ken

         

         


        From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
        Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
        To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

         

         

        I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

         

        Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

         

        --Sonny

         

        On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:



      • kerickson
        Ron, Ken, Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF. I think I have everything set per the doc but I m running my 2000 mill off of a new 14 laptop and the
        Message 3 of 11 , Sep 19, 2013
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          Ron, Ken,

           

          Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF.  I think I have everything set per the doc but I'm running my 2000 mill off of a new 14" laptop and the Smooth Stepper setup page is cut off at the bottom and there are no scroll bars for the page plus page 7 of the doc is very blurry making it hard to read.  So I plan to move my mill into my home office this weekend and attempt to get things working on my workstation system. 



          --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

          I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

           

          Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

           

          Ken

           

           

          From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
          Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
          To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

           

           

          I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

           

          Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

           

          --Sonny

           

          On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:



        • kerickson
          I verified that I had the 3 wires for the spindle speed control wired correctly. New status display: PWM Bumped to minimum setting. What does that mean? Do I
          Message 4 of 11 , Sep 20, 2013
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            I verified that I had the 3 wires for the spindle speed control wired correctly.

             

            New status display: PWM Bumped to minimum setting.

             

            What does that mean?  Do I have something configured wrong?

             

             



            --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            Ron, Ken,

             

            Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF.  I think I have everything set per the doc but I'm running my 2000 mill off of a new 14" laptop and the Smooth Stepper setup page is cut off at the bottom and there are no scroll bars for the page plus page 7 of the doc is very blurry making it hard to read.  So I plan to move my mill into my home office this weekend and attempt to get things working on my workstation system. 



            --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

             

            Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

             

            Ken

             

             

            From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
            Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
            To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

             

             

            I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

             

            Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

             

            --Sonny

             

            On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:



          • kerickson
            I ve managed to get the spindle speed controller function working correctly. The only question I have now is there a way to adjust/correct for speed variances?
            Message 5 of 11 , Sep 22, 2013
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              I've managed to get the spindle speed controller function working correctly.  The only question I have now is there a way to adjust/correct  for speed variances?

               

              For S1000 I'm reading 850 rpm

              For S2000 I'm reading 1830 rpm

              For S2800 I'm reading 2600 rpm

               

              I'm not concerned about the small difference in speed but I was wondering if there is a way to adjust Mach-3 to "fix" it?

              --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              I verified that I had the 3 wires for the spindle speed control wired correctly.

               

              New status display: PWM Bumped to minimum setting.

               

              What does that mean?  Do I have something configured wrong?

               

               



              --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              Ron, Ken,

               

              Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF.  I think I have everything set per the doc but I'm running my 2000 mill off of a new 14" laptop and the Smooth Stepper setup page is cut off at the bottom and there are no scroll bars for the page plus page 7 of the doc is very blurry making it hard to read.  So I plan to move my mill into my home office this weekend and attempt to get things working on my workstation system. 



              --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

              I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

               

              Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

               

              Ken

               

               

              From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
              Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
              To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

               

               

              I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

               

              Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

               

              --Sonny

               

              On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:



            • Sonny Mounicou
              You can adjust the PWM percent to fine tune speed so that it matches. A good starting point is in the soigeneris pdf. The closer you get the better, but in
              Message 6 of 11 , Sep 22, 2013
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                You can adjust the PWM percent to fine tune speed so that it matches.  A good starting point is in the soigeneris pdf.  The closer you get the better, but in my experience the numbers are less consistent under 500 rpm than they are above it.

                I believe you can also enable the closed loop function so that it monitors and adjusts appropriately to counter the load. I have not done it myself as it hasn't mattered all that much.

                --Sonny


                On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:
                 

                I've managed to get the spindle speed controller function working correctly.  The only question I have now is there a way to adjust/correct  for speed variances?

                 

                For S1000 I'm reading 850 rpm

                For S2000 I'm reading 1830 rpm

                For S2800 I'm reading 2600 rpm

                 

                I'm not concerned about the small difference in speed but I was wondering if there is a way to adjust Mach-3 to "fix" it?

                --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                I verified that I had the 3 wires for the spindle speed control wired correctly.

                 

                New status display: PWM Bumped to minimum setting.

                 

                What does that mean?  Do I have something configured wrong?

                 

                 



                --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                Ron, Ken,

                 

                Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF.  I think I have everything set per the doc but I'm running my 2000 mill off of a new 14" laptop and the Smooth Stepper setup page is cut off at the bottom and there are no scroll bars for the page plus page 7 of the doc is very blurry making it hard to read.  So I plan to move my mill into my home office this weekend and attempt to get things working on my workstation system. 



                --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

                 

                Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

                 

                Ken

                 

                 

                From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
                Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
                To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

                 

                 

                I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

                 

                Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

                 

                --Sonny

                 

                On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:




              • David Lorenz
                Assuming you have an index sensor tied to mach, try running the spindle calibration routine in mach. I had so many problems configuring PWM that I finally had
                Message 7 of 11 , Oct 30, 2013
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                  Assuming you have an index sensor tied to mach, try running the spindle calibration routine in mach. I had so many problems configuring PWM that I finally had a bright idea… I redirected my A axis step pin to the PWM control pin in ports and pins, then jogging the A axis (my fastest axis) manually I got a nice smooth ramp up to speed. Aha 1st clue. PWM just wants a stream of reliable pulses so… resetting Axis to normal I went back to spindle control and set it to Step\Dir. Note: you should route the dir pin to a false output such as port 2 pin 16 (if you have no port 2), and wahlah! It started working great, no more lag and stupid messages, although like you the speed was incorrect. After running spindle calibration it was quite good, running it again made it even better! Note: if you have set a minimum speed IE: minimum 400 maximum 3000, change it to minimum 0 before running the calibration, then when you are done and happy change it back. You want it to learn the full power curve! I only takes about 6 minutes to run this and it works amazing. My spindle speed is VERY close using this method now on both my Sherline 4100 lathe and my 2000 mill. Good Luck!

                   

                  From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
                  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:15
                  To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

                   

                   

                  You can adjust the PWM percent to fine tune speed so that it matches.  A good starting point is in the soigeneris pdf.  The closer you get the better, but in my experience the numbers are less consistent under 500 rpm than they are above it.

                   

                  I believe you can also enable the closed loop function so that it monitors and adjusts appropriately to counter the load. I have not done it myself as it hasn't mattered all that much.


                  --Sonny

                   

                  On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:

                   

                  I've managed to get the spindle speed controller function working correctly.  The only question I have now is there a way to adjust/correct  for speed variances?

                   

                  For S1000 I'm reading 850 rpm

                  For S2000 I'm reading 1830 rpm

                  For S2800 I'm reading 2600 rpm

                   

                  I'm not concerned about the small difference in speed but I was wondering if there is a way to adjust Mach-3 to "fix" it?

                  --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                  I verified that I had the 3 wires for the spindle speed control wired correctly.

                   

                  New status display: PWM Bumped to minimum setting.

                   

                  What does that mean?  Do I have something configured wrong?

                   

                   

                   

                  --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                  Ron, Ken,

                   

                  Thanks for the link to the Soigeneris PDF.  I think I have everything set per the doc but I'm running my 2000 mill off of a new 14" laptop and the Smooth Stepper setup page is cut off at the bottom and there are no scroll bars for the page plus page 7 of the doc is very blurry making it hard to read.  So I plan to move my mill into my home office this weekend and attempt to get things working on my workstation system. 

                   

                  --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, <sherlinecnc@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

                  I have mine working with the G540 and Smoothstepper. There are a number of software settings that need to be made for it to work.

                   

                  Have you read this article? http://www.soigeneris.com/Document/Gecko/Using_the%20Gecko_G540_VFD_Output.pdf

                   

                  Ken

                   

                   

                  From: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com [mailto: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Sonny Mounicou
                  Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:48 PM
                  To: SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [SherlineCNC] Sherline Spindle control via SmoothStepper

                   

                   

                  I don't think so.  I'm using mine with a usb smooth stepper as well.  I'm not familiar with that DC-08 board, so I don't know if it could be introducing issues.  Have you checked to see the 0-10V coming into the G540?  When you tell it to turn on the spindle, what do you see on the 3rd line?  Essentially all that it does is emulate the POT.  You should be able to observe the change.  If you can't, you need to chase the wires to figure out where it is falling flat.

                   

                  Be careful with the wires.  They are hot and they sting.  Its also easy to kill the KBIC controller if you aren't careful.

                   

                  --Sonny

                   

                  On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:31 PM, <kaerickson@...> wrote:

                   

                   

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