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Re: Need Source for 4-axis Sherline/Mach3 CNC System

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  • Phil M
    I would have to agree with Vince. I had a Sherline 2000 for about 10 years, and rigidity was always a problem. Mounting it on a heavy base might dampen some of
    Message 1 of 38 , Jul 12, 2009
      I would have to agree with Vince. I had a Sherline 2000 for about 10 years,
      and rigidity was always a problem. Mounting it on a heavy base might dampen
      some of the vibration, but will do nothing for rigidity where it matters. A
      few years ago I bought a used X2-class machine, rated at about the same
      spindle power, but it is a MUCH stronger machine. The work envelope is a
      little smaller, but I've run 3/4" end mills with 1/2" shanks on aluminum,
      and I don't think that would have been possible with the Sherline. It has an
      R8 spindle. Littlemachineshop.com carries ALL the replacement parts for this
      machine. The Sherline is a very neat, very precise machine for tiny jobs,
      but I kept running up against the size and power limitations. Any machine
      you run as CNC is going to require quite a lot more attention to keep it
      tuned up than a manual machine.
      Phil Mattison

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Vince <kurpan@...>
      To: <SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:22 PM
      Subject: [SherlineCNC] Re: Need Source for 4-axis Sherline/Mach3 CNC System

      > You might also look at Taig and just see if it offers more for your
      situation. It has more steel components and a much larger column. I think
      guys who have both the lathe and mill like the sherline because so many
      accessories & components are interchangeable where the Taig is not.
      > There's also a place called Syil (do a google on it) Who makes CNC
      machines out of the bench top size cast iron machines.
      > The idea that bolting a sherline to a steel or granite base is going to
      make the whole machine more rigid is wishful thinking. If the machine is
      not rigid enough it never will be.
      > Vince
      > --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, "goodoljer" <gvowles@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Yeah, you're right Vince, it is a hobby machine but then, I'm a hobbyist
      in the process of trying to figure out how to squeeze two machines into the
      space my 3-in-1 junker currently takes up. Because I'm working mostly with
      PVC and might in the future run a bit of aluminum, I've decided that until
      Myford goes CNC or EMCO's prices come down, I don't have much choice if I
      want a new ready-to-go setup that I can actually get repair parts for and
      accessories that actually fit. Pretty frustrating for a lot of fellas/gals
      in my situation as I understand it.
      > >
      > > --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, "Vince" <kurpan@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > The impression I get from reading your questions is that you have
      already outgrown the Sherline. Sounds like you are trying to "make a cruise
      ship out of a canoe."
      > > >
      > > > You should consider buying a bigger/heavier machine if that's what you
      really need. Sherlines can be a nice machine but they are small and light
      and slow. They are hobby machines. It's not going to matter what you mount
      the mill to for rigidity.... it has plastic gibs and aluminum ways.
      > > >
      > > > Anyhow, I would take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
      > > >
      > > > Vince
      > > >
      > > > --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, "goodoljer" <gvowles@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hello,
      > > > >
      > > > > I am looking to source a Sherline 6200/10 CNC Ultimate Machine Shop
      Package plus 4th Axis (CNC Indexer) and additional accessories. My decision
      is to go with Mach3 plus its upgraded wizards and related hardware/plugins
      such as the SmoothStepper. My goal is to have a highly dependable and
      accurate setup, not the most leading (bleeding) edge one. Being new to CNC I
      have a few questions so, with the greatest respect for those whose interests
      and expertise lie in building a setup, electronics or saving maximum
      dollars, please accept that my interest and need is in having a setup which
      provides a means to an end from the get-go. I have some things that I need
      to build "with" a system that's as ready to go as possible, with the lowest
      possible learning curve (wizards) and good quality. Thanks so much in
      advance for understanding this.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > 1. Can anyone recommend a reputable, established system supplier(s)
      who can sell me a complete, turn-key system WITHOUT trying to switch me to
      their own or some other control software and operating system?
      Unfortunately, a couple of the well known suppliers I've tried have chosen
      to not respond to my requests because I specified Mach3 only. Perhaps
      business is really good for them right now, which is great news in a bad
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > 2. I'm considering switching the lead screws to Kerk lead screws
      (not ball screws) and anti-backlash nuts. Has anyone actually done this on a
      Sherline CNC setup and, more importantly, was it worth it for you and in
      what ways?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > 3. I'm considering bolting the mill and lathe onto marble flat
      surfaces to maximize rigidity and accuracy. Again, has anyone done this or
      something similar (without the need for shimming) and was it worth it?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > 4. I'm wondering what the most suitable size of stepper motor is.
      I'm looking for good (but not crazy) speed and want to minimize the
      possibility of lost steps. Also, good quality. Vexta seem to be the best.
      Does anyone have experience with these on a Sherline setup? Are there other
      highly rated ones, perhaps Rex? What I've read is that it will cost a few
      bucks more but the best combination for better speeds and decently sustained
      torque will come from bipolar motors operating in parallel mode.
      > > > >
      > > > > 5. Can a high output power supply & controller setup be used to
      safely drive these small systems? I'm impressed with the Novakon SmartDrive
      which comes with the computer built into the box and the full, licensed
      version of Mach 3 preloaded. It comes with four Gecko 203's. However, here's
      the key question - it provides up to 75 volts to each motor and I simply
      don't know enough about electricity and electronics to know whether this
      would turn Sherline machines into spaghetti, burn up the steppers or what.
      I'm not questioning whether or not I need this much power to run a Sherline,
      we know I don't :-) Rather, it is a question of whether or not I can do it
      safely and what the results are likely to be. Can someone with expertise in
      this field provide some guidance in lay terms on this question?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > 6. While I do want to be careful about spending, My priority is not
      looking to save a few bucks here and there by cutting corners, building the
      system myself, going with the lowest cost steppers, drivers, connectors,
      etc. However, that said, I do want to get quotes because I'm aware that a
      number of suppliers offer sizable discounts, especially if they are
      providing complete, turn-key packages.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks kindly in advance for your advise, it's much appreciated.
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
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    • goodoljer
      Thanks much Ron, I ll check them out more closely. At least with LMS there s a better chance that parts will be available than with some other suppliers. That
      Message 38 of 38 , Jul 18, 2009
        Thanks much Ron,

        I'll check them out more closely. At least with LMS there's a better chance that parts will be available than with some other suppliers. That said, I emailed them last week to see if I could buy a head assembly for either the KX1 or KX3 to mount on my Shopbot Buddy but I never heard back at all so maybe they're not carrying parts yet with the machines just in.

        Thanks kindly,

        --- In SherlineCNC@yahoogroups.com, Ron Ginger <ronginger@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > I've actually found what may be an ideal solution as well out of Germany. A company called Optimum buy Chinese mills and lathes and, unlike what we're offered on this side of the pond, they bring them up to snuff even to the point of offering ball-screw options plus they offer full CNC plug-and-play versions as well. They can be purchased for use with Mach3 or with a range of CAD, CAM, Controller options. I really like the way they've mounted the steppers, allowing for manual use as well. I also like the extended table available on the Opti BF 20 L Vario mill. They appear to have a good reputation.
        > >
        > > - Gerry
        > >
        > You might also look at the KX1 machine. This is built in China, but is a
        > fully CNC machine- ball screws, etc. It is designed for Mach and
        > imported into the US by Littlemachineshop.com and by Harbor Freight. It
        > has limit switches, full spindle control, full coolant trays. It is a
        > real 'mini CNC' machine.
        > I saw the machine that LMS had at NAMES and was very impressed. Its a
        > bit more expensive than a full Sherline, but it also a MUCH more robust
        > machine.
        > A friend has ordered one from Harbor Freight, but it has not arrived
        > yet. LMS is $500 higher, but I think they have them in stock.
        > ron ginger
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