Re: Dangers of shamanism
- --- In ShamanicWays@yahoogroups.com, "Wulfie" <wulfshado@y...> wrote:
>I thought I was one of the few who ever saw things quite that way. Of
> Just because someone has had a course or read a book doesn't mean
> that they are even taking journeys. They might think they are but
> they're not, they're more along the lines of fantasy visualization.
> In other words they're taking INNER journeys, rather than SHAMANIC
> journeys, tho many newage writers/teachers seem to get the two
> confused. And people rarely discuss the differences between these two
> types of journeying which only adds to the confusion.
course, I see value in what I call "movements" as in movements of
awareness within the realms of one's soul. I think we run into this
with "power animals". It seems that these "power animal journeys" are
investigations into the soulfull aspects of ones person.
> The real heart of shamanism will never make it into books or seminarsSome might suggest that "core" shamanism is shamanism with the soul
> or those sorts of things. These books and seminars and people are
> teaching technique, they're not teaching tradition. Journeying is far
> more than the technique of "visualize a hole and go down it". My
> friend put it this way: "What's being taught, popularly, doesn't tap
> real power or medicine. What many people are doing is without
> sufficient enough medicine or presence to make an impact on any
> level. It exists in the realm of the mind alone and never taps the
> deeper levels that help shift things. A lot of times it carries no
> energy, no cause, no effect. It is spiritually inert. The deepest and
> most meaningful secrets are never in books. They would rarely ever
> make it into the hands of anyone who would be prone to publishing
> them and the spirits guard these secrets closely."
stripped away. Without the tellings and mythology and traditions, what
does one have? Shamanism without soul, which would maybe not be
shamanism at all.
However, is there any danger in that?
- --- In ShamanicWays@yahoogroups.com, "wayne_dogfox" <brightforge@y...>
>I thought winter solstice was the first day of winter. How is the date
> I did go out on Calan Gaef (1st November - first day of
of Calan Gaef determined?
- Hi Nick,
> I thought winter solstice was the first day of winter. How is thedate
> of Calan Gaef determinedCalan Gaef is the first day of the new moon and the start of the
year, then for the next 2 lunar months every thing is 'ticking over'
until the the Winter Solstice (or 'Alban Arthan' to Druids) which
is the date when the daylight is at it's shortest , from this date
comes growth of the new year
in the Old Gaelic Calendars there are 13 months of 28 days
(following the Lunar cycles) , giving us 364 days to the year.
Traditionaly Calan Gaef is the 13th moon Cycle since the previous
Calan Gaef so it fits any where in a 2 week period overlapping
October and November.
Traditionaly each festival is 3 days long - as the moon is in its
phase for 3 days , this is further affected by a 4 year cycle, so
the mid winter festival in the Pre-Gregorian Calender traditionaly
could occur anytime between the 18th of December and the 30th which
is where 'we' get the '12 days of Christmas' (4 X 3 days).
BUT, to fit in with the Gregorian calendar most modern Pagans
celebrate Samhain/ Calan Gaef as the 30 Oct - 1st Nov; although in
the pre Gregorian calendar it could have been anywhere between 24th
Oct - 7th November . which is where the burning of the Guy on 'Guy
Fawkes' night comes from - the real Guy Fawkes was not burned but
was executed; in the Pre Christian Pagan calendar the effigy of
the 'King of the Summer ' who had been made and crowned at Beltaine/
Calan Mai (Mayday - start of the summer) was burned to signify the
end of his reign and on this night chaos reigned from sunset to
sunrise and was known as 'mischief night'
went a bit overboard with the explanation I think
Oh Well :)
--- In ShamanicWays@yahoogroups.com, true_dog2 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> --- In ShamanicWays@yahoogroups.com, "wayne_dogfox"
> > I did go out on Calan Gaef (1st November - first day of
> > Winter),
> I thought winter solstice was the first day of winter. How is the
> of Calan Gaef determined?