> David: Sorry Ola, but I disagree. I think Antony in his
> state would give Cleopatra whatever she wanted and this is whatshe
> wanted. Antony values his position as Cleopatra's lover more thanhis
> position as a Roman. Your Antony from Julius Caesar is lost Iam
> afraid.at the end of JC--this
> Ola: Absolutely agree - I mourned my Antony
> is anin each world and that never
> entirely new Antony. He has a leg
> works unlessagree he is totally besotted with Cleo but a
> you're a wishbone. I
> part of methinks he's a Roman down deep - so deep he may not even know it.
>Historically, OC did fuel the fire set by Antony's canoodling with
> Cleoby grossly
> exaggerating the "threat" Antony posed to Rome due to theaffair.
The historical note is interesting, but I certainly in the play got
the impression that OC was being truthful. I see Antony's psyche as
the opposite of how you see it. I think Antony is a Roman who down
deep is an Egyptian. I think when he is in Egypt he is his true self.
JC was seduced by Cleopatra but down deep was still a Roman and was
able to go back. Antony knows he is being seduced and knows he cannot
run an empire with Cleopatra in tow but is powerless to do anything
about it. This is why I find it believable that he handed over part
of his empire to Cleopatra and I find the double meaning discovered
by Jenny so interesting.
Ola: Good - now we have some dialogue going! I was beginning to think this was a love fest. Antony is seduced and loving it - entirely agree. JC was more interested in leading the republic into the empire and that was a bigger draw than Cleo - agreed.
Where I disagree is that OC was being entirely truthful in the rumor-mongering arena. How lucky was he? Dumped Lepidus and then gave Antony enough rope to hang himself - but he /OC did greatly embellish the rumors of doings in the East, thereby further endearing himself to the senate and the people. In other words, a politician of today's ilk, eh?
Historically, I think OC proved to be the man for the hour, far more than would have Antony, in leading the empire to greatness. But he still had feet of clay. For instance, he and his family lived like Rajas - but that's another story and way OT.
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