Re: HAM RADIO AT CAMP Pamphlet idea?
Thanks for your comments.
To expand on the "chit" idea: What if it's called a "Communicator
Chit" with boxes (or something) for endorsements for various
skills/knowledge, such as rural telephones, cell phones, Ham Radio,
CB, FRS, Morse Code using Flashing Light/Wig Wag, semaphore, etc.
A significant amount of "signaling" has been dropped from the BSA
handbooks over the past couple of decades and emergency preparedness
may be at the point of suffering.
73, Frank KR1ZAN
--- In scoutradio@y..., "Jon Pearl W4ABC" <w4abc@g...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "kr1zan" <kr1zan@a...>
> To: <scoutradio@y...>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:13 PM
> Subject: [Scoutradio] Re: HAM RADIO AT CAMP Pamphlet idea?
> As to your comments below Frank - I don't think anyone here would
> you should take these ideas anywhere else. The fine tuning of a
> like this takes input from many and it's great to think that we're
> little part of something that may well become a 'tangible' reality
> boy coming up through the ranks. A 'radio chit' would really add
> to operations in those areas where radio ops are presently frowned
> largely due to ignorance.
> Now if we could just convince the FCC to perforate the four corners
> Ham tickets we might not have to up with so many fools...
> Bravo fellas... great ideas all!
> Jon Pearl W4ABC
> West Central Florida Section OOC
> Trustee WA4BSA
> > > To readers other than Bob: If this discussion of the Radio Chit
> > concept doesn't belong in this newsgroup, please let me know and
> > gladly communicate with Bob directly. I think he's done a
> > job in kindling interest in practical, common sense, limited
> > volunteer syndrome, minimum investment ideas.
> > 73, Frank KR1ZAN
> > kr1zan@a...
> > Garland, Texas
- On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 wa6lbu@... wrote:
> I think we'd all like to know that.A local church camp. Nothing national...
>de WB4APR@..., Bob
> In a message dated 7/12/02 10:59:54 AM Central Daylight Time, w2bsa@...
> Bob, might I ask who the group was that banned the HT??
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- On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, kr1zan wrote:
> events, how about a "Radio Chit" similar to the Tot 'n Chit or theGREAT IDEA! I love it. Is it a "chit" or a chip?. I think the
> Fireman Chit?
whittling chip is a "chip", but then that could be just a pun...
A communicators coupon?
> Both Scouts and Scouters (adult leaders) must undergo
> some type of limited, but documented, training and examination in
> order to earn their "Radio Chit." Your pamphlet, along with the FRS
> guidelines, is a start.
> Similar to the Tot 'n Chit, if a Scout (or Scouter) is found misusing
> radio privileges, a Scout leader (youth or adult) would admonish the
> offender, request the Radio Chit and tear off a corner. If four
> corners (or whatever) are torn off, then the offender must secure or
> turn in for securing the radio equipment. Only when the offender has
> gone through refresher training and receives a new Radio Chit can the
> Scout or Scouter once again use radios in camp. Or, if the
> Scout/Scouter doesn't have a Radio Chit -- simple, no more radio
> under Radio Chit earned.
> Yes, I know there's always the emergency, etc. The same thing holds
> true for the Tot 'n Chit, etc.
> The pamphlet, Radio Chit and other such info papers should be
> published at "no expense to the National BSA." They've got enough
> costs the way it is. The Chit could be in PDF form on a National BSA
> web site, as should the supporting training and exams.
> It is conceivable that a commercial sponsor, like Kenwood, Motorola,
> American Association of Radio Enthusiasts, the ARRL, etc., might
> provide funds for publication of heavy paper Radio Chits, or
> underwrite manufacturing of Radio Chit patches, etc.
> I think the Radio Chit and/or use of radios in camp/scouting should
> be mentioned in the Guide to Safe Scouting, perhaps in the Emergency
> Preparedness section. The Radio Chit then becomes another item that
> Scouts can "earn" and can be promoted through Roundtables, Scouting
> magazine, Boy's Life, etc. An attractive patch that can be worn on
> the uniform would also be another selling point.
> To readers other than Bob: If this discussion of the Radio Chit
> concept doesn't belong in this newsgroup, please let me know and I'll
> gladly communicate with Bob directly. I think he's done a terrific
> job in kindling interest in practical, common sense, limited
> volunteer syndrome, minimum investment ideas.
> 73, Frank KR1ZAN
> Garland, Texas
- On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Jon Pearl W4ABC wrote:
> boy coming up through the ranks. A 'radio chit' would really add legitimacyAh, the clincher comment! Yes, I loved the CHIT idea but then thought it
> to operations in those areas where radio ops are presently frowned upon
> largely due to ignorance.
might appear draconian. But Jon's comment that the chit would only be
reuqired at those locations "where radio ops are presently fronwned
upon".. is the idea that makes it seamlessly slide into the mainstream.
In other words, the CHIT is not reuqired where radios are currently
permitted. But by having the communicators coupon as part of the concept,
it allows a mechanism to get radio authorized where it currently is not...
But in any case, I think our long term goal is to everntually make sure it
I have NEVER seen a kid use an FRS radio as anything other than a
noisemaker unless he has first been instrcuted in its proper use. Our
LONGTERM goal is to make sure the airwaves dont become a wasteland by
having everyone be properly instructed...
de WB4APR, Bob
- It's CHIP with a "P" for Papa. A chit is a debt. Don't ask me Tot'n
Chip's origins; it's been around for a looooooooong time.
At 11:28 -0400 15/07/2002, Bob Bruninga wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Jon Pearl W4ABC wrote:--
>> boy coming up through the ranks. A 'radio chit' would really add legitimacy
>> to operations in those areas where radio ops are presently frowned upon
>> largely due to ignorance.
>Ah, the clincher comment! Yes, I loved the CHIT idea but then thought it
73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD
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- Fred Stevens, K2FRD, wrote:
> It's CHIP with a "P" for Papa. A chit is a debt. Don't ask me Tot'nWhy, shore, sonny: back when I was a young 'un, you didn't happen to have
> Chip's origins; it's been around for a looooooooong time.
paper out in the woods. The Scoutmaster would just grab a chip of wood
and sign off, once you showed him you knew which end of the hatchet to
use. 'Course, back then, you first had to find a suitable hunk of flint,
then make the hatchet ...
Ahh, them was the days!
- - Steve, KE1KF
- As a current Life Scout and a Tech-class ham I have seen many of the
situations talked about recently on the list.
I think that the Radio Chit is a GREAT idea, and the 30-60 minute class
that is required for it would be able to be presented at my council camp
along with the totin' chit as part of the "new scout" program
I also agree that SOMETHING should be done to regulate and educate the
scouts, and camp staff in paticular, that all radios are not created
equal. if someone teaches the scouts that they are tools, no toys, our
lives will be easier.
I have been to several major scouting events recently, and the troops that
have had FRS radios have scouts running around with tem, cursing at other
troops, and generally being unscoutlike. We should do whatever we can to
keep that from becoming everyones' impression of amateur radio.
Life Scout without a troop, Chester County, PA
--- Bob Bruninga <bruninga@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Jon Pearl W4ABC wrote:__________________________________________________
> > boy coming up through the ranks. A 'radio chit' would really add
> > to operations in those areas where radio ops are presently frowned
> > largely due to ignorance.
> Ah, the clincher comment! Yes, I loved the CHIT idea but then thought
> might appear draconian. But Jon's comment that the chit would only be
> reuqired at those locations "where radio ops are presently fronwned
> upon".. is the idea that makes it seamlessly slide into the mainstream.
> In other words, the CHIT is not reuqired where radios are currently
> permitted. But by having the communicators coupon as part of the
> it allows a mechanism to get radio authorized where it currently is
> But in any case, I think our long term goal is to everntually make sure
> IS REQUIRED.
> I have NEVER seen a kid use an FRS radio as anything other than a
> noisemaker unless he has first been instrcuted in its proper use. Our
> LONGTERM goal is to make sure the airwaves dont become a wasteland by
> having everyone be properly instructed...
> de WB4APR, Bob
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