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Re: [scoutradio] Digest Number 222

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  • Bill Stewart
    Dave, you re right on the nose as far as I m concerned. It also seems contrary to the spirit of Amateur Radio. We stand for international cooperation. The
    Message 1 of 2 , Oct 25, 2001
      Dave, you're right on the nose as far as I'm concerned. It also seems contrary to the spirit of Amateur Radio. We stand for international
      cooperation. The problem in the BSA is that we have one or two conservative sponsoring denominations that have the most units
      sponsored in the BSA. BSA tends to bow to their wishes in order to preserve the sponsorships and the units that are sponsored.
      It leaves many of us who tend to be more moderate out in the cold.


      Bill Stewart, W2BSA

      Dave Colter wrote:
      With regard to wearing the World Crest - another corollary issue is BSA's
      isolationist tendency.  European associations in particular and the WOSM in
      general have a slightly more "liberal" view of Scouting's purpose that the
      more conservative BSA has never been comfortable with.  WOSM has ties to
      UNESCO, and has actively encouraged Scout associations to work actively for
      world peace, and many are also involved in "peace corps" type projects in
      developing countries.  BSA's traditional image of itself is as a more
      "nationalist" patriotic organization. Other "problems" include things like
      fully coed programs, alcohol being served to the 18+ Scouts (and the fact
      that no one really pays attention to younger Scouts who also imbibe) and
      coed German Venture and Rover age groups handing out free condoms to their
      members at campouts, etc.   While all this helps me understand why BSA
      hasn't said much about Scouting in the rest of the world, (and why many
      others around the world dislike BSA),  it also leaves me wondering why they
      even went as far as making the World Crest part of the standard uniform.  As
      to why it isn't already sewn on, National Supply told our local Scout shop
      that is was cost.  A Scout exec friend says it was prevented by certain
      sponsoring denominations who would rather their kids not even know there was
      Scouting outside the US.  I suspect it was a compromise.  The good news is
      that BSA seems recently to have taken some steps to broaden our
      organizational "world view". But, we digress from the purpose of this
      remailer, so I guess if we'd like to discuss this one further we should do
      it elsewhere!  Apologies to everyone else.
      Dave Colter WA1ZCN

      ----- Original Message ----- > Topics in this digest:
      >    Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 05:13:57 -0000
      >    From: ka6bsa@...
      > Subject: WOSM World Crest and Radio Scouts
      > Yes, it is good to follow the BSA insignia guide, but most active
      > Scouts and Scouters have many of these temporaries they treasure and
      > only the real estate on the right pocket to display them. So you will
      > always see people bending the rules and claiming they don't know any
      > better. It gives the "patch police" something to rough them up over.
      > If the WSOM (World Organization Scout Movement) crest is so universal
      > I wonder why it doesn't come already sewn on the BSA uniform like the
      > US flag does, and the same question is asked by almost every new
      > Scout (or his mom). It doesn't help that originally the World Crest
      > was a difficult earned patch rarely available in the US, and then
      > arbitrarily BSA changed it to be a "free" patch everyone just wears
      > and many don't even know why.
      > If you are really excited about the Radio Scouts patch as better than
      > any other temporary, you could permanently sew it onto the right
      > pocket and on occasion hang (with a button loop) another of your
      > coveted temporary patches in front of it. By using a button hanger
      > you can change the temporary patch easily depending on circumstance,
      > and if the patch police catch you it is easily removed. A hanger is
      > also good because some temporary patches are actually too big to fit
      > on the pocket.
      > The World Crest has a history going back to 1956 when it was earned
      > by "taking part in an organized international activity or event with
      > scouts from another member nation of the World Association" and you
      > had to present a signed card to get the patch. Relatively few were
      > earned by people in the US and it was generally known as
      > the "overseas patch" when in 1990 despite objections BSA changed the
      > rules to make it easier to earn by just "taking part in an
      > international exhibit, display or event" even without foreign scouts
      > present. Again, over the protest that the meaning of the Crest was
      > being thrown out, the BSA changed the policy in 1991, requiring that
      > every Scout and Scouter wear it as a "sign of world brotherhood." The
      > International Activities badge (a 3-inch blue patch with a similar
      > rope and square knot around a fleur-de-lis emblem) became the one
      > earned at international events, and was also just another temporary
      > on the pocket, not to be worn in place of the World Crest.
      > So you see that the idea of wearing a similar looking patch like the
      > Radio Scouts one in place of the World Crest is actually just another
      > twist in the continuing story of how to recognize participation in an
      > international scouting event. You could even argue the point of
      > whether the foreign scouts were present, just talking to them on ham
      > radio, but it doesn't even matter considering the history of the
      > World Crest. And of course we have to follow the BSA Insignia Guide
      > or we would all have odd patches everywhere on our shirts.
      > Loren Mitchell (Webelos Arrow 1957, Eagle Scout 1959, KN1PLM 1961)
      > =====
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      > Station Trustee: K6BK Mitch
      > BSA High Adventure QRP Operation
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