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RE: [ScoutRadio] Re: Girls are Scouts too!

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  • Jamie Holmes
    Jim, it is sad news indeed. While I agree that numbers had declined for some years we are again above 2011 numbers, not by much but doing a darn sight better
    Message 1 of 41 , Feb 26, 2013



      it is sad news indeed. While I agree that numbers had declined for some years we are again above 2011 numbers, not by much but doing a darn sight better than Girl Guides.


      Todays youth have so many other opportunities for activities and although we are trying to appeal to the youth directly we need to also educate their parents.


      Our issue in the Greater Toronto Area is our large "new Canadian" population that may not recognize scouting from where they came from. While this may sound innapropriate it is a recognized and spoken about issue up here. There is a troop in Mississauga (where I live) that is all chinese.  All sections meet on Saturday afternoon, have a combined opening and then split off to their own activities, they also have a combined closing horeshoe.  The must be doing something right as they have 178 members fro ages 5 through to 26.


      We have been working quite diligently to increase our numbers and its something we all need to do on an on-going basis.  I believe that retention hinges on 2  things, fun engaging program and activities, educated parents who see value in their children participating in our programs.


      I can only imagine what our number would be like if we hadn't gone Co- Ed



      Jamie Holmes

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      From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim
      Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:53 PM
      To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ScoutRadio] Re: Girls are Scouts too!



      While the information is somewhat difficult to gather on the web, Scouts Canada membership has been declining at a remarkable pace.

      Total Membership --- Youth and Adults combined

      1996 = 231,042
      2000 = 188,312
      2011 = 101,283

      Here's the sources I used to gather these numbers ---

      I'm confident the program is run very well and I've been delighted to see the growing promotion of the program. The decline in Scouting in Canada, USA, and many other countries is truly sad news.


      --- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Holmes wrote:
      > Good afternoon everyone
      > I have been a member of this forum for a couple of years and never wade in as the topics discussed don't apply to us in Canada.
      > All I can say is that we have been co-Ed since 1984 and it has saved Scouting in Canada.
      > My wife and I run our local troop and we have 19 youth, 7 of them girls. Our scout section consists of youth from 11 to 14 then they move on to Venturers.
      > Girl Guides Canada is a shrinking organization due to over internal regulation and pure lack of fun.
      > Hope you guys get it figured out before its too late!!
      > Just my .02 worth
      > Jamie Holmes
      > Troop Scouter
      > 6th Erin Mills group
      > VE3GXP
      > On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Malcolm - G4CXT wrote:
      > > One day, lets hope that (B)SA look at examples beyond their shores to realise that Scouting at all ages is equally appropriate for both boys and girls.
      > >
      > > Take a look at the national associations that "get it" and see how girls & boys enjoy Scouting equally at all ages!
      > >
      > > 73
      > >
      > > Malcolm - G4CXT
      > > On 26/02/2013 18:47, Bill Stewart wrote:
      > >>
      > >> Yes, I agree. What we have here in NCAC is a number of Cadette/Senior/Ambasador units that are dual chartering. These are the leaders that "get it". They know what the youth want so they go where they can get the outdoors/high adventure activities.
      > >
      > >

    • Frank Krizan
      Similarly, take a look at a program developed by Mark Spencer of ARRL: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Scouting/ScoutsMeritBadge.ppt This is an ARRL legacy
      Message 41 of 41 , Feb 28, 2013
        Similarly, take a look at a program developed by Mark Spencer of ARRL:

        This is an ARRL legacy document.  At Camp Whispering Cedars (GSUSA) in Dallas, we sent the 
        Girl Scout Radio Badge image to a patch manufacturer to copy.  Last we heard (several years ago) 
        was that the original source no longer supplied the badges.  The ARRL no longer mentions this program
        on their Scouting pages.  

        The Girl Scout Radio Badge was an adaptation of the BSA Radio Merit Badge.  

        73, Frank KR1ZAN
        Garland, TX

        On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder@...> wrote:


        This old ARRL publication has a suggested radio badge for different levels of Girl Scouts.


        On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:08 PM, J.Gordon Beattie, Jr., W2TTT wrote:


        Hi Folks!

        Given that I have three sons who are Scouts/Scouters (2 Eagles, 1 on the way) and my belief that daughters need quality programs, I might be inclined to put some young ladies through the Radio Merit Badge program and simply issue them the badge…probably not an action compliant with BSA policy, but it would be worth it to see the reaction of a GSUSA adult when she spots a Girl Scout/Venturer with a Radio Merit Badge patch on their vest!  J


        It is hard enough to get the parents of boys to engage in traditional Boy Scouting programs.  From my experience, it is even harder to get parents to support their daughters in Venturing, especially if the program is similar to that of a Boy Scout Troop with respect to the high adventure activities.  That is a shame.  If my sons have daughters, I will be all over them to be supportive of their daughters the way my wife and I were for them.  


        Yours in Scouting!
        Thanks & 73,

        Gordon Beattie, W2TTT



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