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              Our troop doesn't allow gameboys, MP3 players, etc on campouts.  I bring ham radio stuff most times but it seems to be viewed differently for some reason.
       
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      From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Serocki
      Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
      To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

      I need some assistance here.

      Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

      I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

      So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

      Thanks

      73, Joe, N9IFG

      Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428. com)

      Prez, WeLCARS (http://welcars. org)

      Advisor, Venture Crew 743 (http://743.no- ip.org)

      IRLP Node 4239

      From: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bill Morine
      Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
      To: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
      Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

      Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
      story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
      might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?

      73,
      Bill Morine
      K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National Jamborees

      WAYNESVILLE, N.C. — Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
      the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
      the heavily wooded area, officials said.

      "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
      Council in Raleigh. "They're out of the woods."

      Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a trail
      and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
      daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.

      Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
      said they followed their training.

      "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is hunker
      down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
      said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They were,
      as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."

      Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
      finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
      the troop had gotten off the trail.

      The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
      The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution in
      case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
      Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.

      Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-square-
      mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
      overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
      dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.

      (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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    • Paul Finch
      Joe, Our Troop made an exception about Ham Radios on campouts, at the time we had three scouts that had their license. I sounds like your dealing with some
      Message 2 of 24 , Sep 24 7:20 PM
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        Joe,

         

        Our Troop made an exception about Ham Radios on campouts, at the time we had three scouts that had their license.

         

        I sounds like your dealing with some people that are slow to get to the 20th century, here we are in the 21st and they don’t get it.  Radio fits so well in the emergency aspect of Scouting, it’s really sad.

         

        Paul

         

         


        From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Serocki
        Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
        To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

         

        I need some assistance here.

         

        Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

         

        I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

         

        So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

         

        Thanks

         

        73, Joe, N9IFG

        Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428.com)

        Prez, WeLCARS (http://welcars.org)

        Advisor, Venture Crew 743 (http://743.no-ip.org)

        IRLP Node 4239

         

        From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Morine
        Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
        To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

         

        Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
        story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
        might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?

        73,
        Bill Morine
        K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National Jamborees

        WAYNESVILLE , N.C. — Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
        the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
        the heavily wooded area, officials said.

        "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
        Council in Raleigh . "They're out of the woods."

        Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a trail
        and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
        daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.

        Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
        said they followed their training.

        "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is hunker
        down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
        said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They were,
        as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."

        Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
        finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
        the troop had gotten off the trail.

        The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
        The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution in
        case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
        Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.

        Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-square-
        mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
        overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
        dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.

        (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

         

         


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      • Malcolm - G4CXT
        Its time to get rid of your Scout Masters then. What absolute twaddle. Technology & Engineering are two of the disciplines which have been responsible for the
        Message 3 of 24 , Sep 25 2:07 AM
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          Its time to get rid of your Scout Masters then.

          What absolute twaddle.  Technology & Engineering are two of the disciplines which have been responsible for the phenomenal rate of "progress" we have all seen in our life times - medicine being another.

          If your Scout Masters can't see the connection between Scouting & Technology simply ask them how come 11 out of 12 of the astronauts who have stepped on the moon were Scouts.  Ask them who they expect to be designing the TV sets, Flight Control equipment and (though it pains me to say it) weapons in the future.  Of course, its those same Scouts who today aspire to be Eagle Scouts - today's Scouts are tomorrow's leaders.

          If they can't find an answer then ask them to consider their future and seriously examine whether they are serving the best interests of their Scouts by taking such an approach. If they still don't get the message, then replace them!

          Oh yes, while you are at it try to drop the "master" bit and "boy scout" stuff - yep, let the girls in, they will show you a thing or two about tomorrow's future leaders  ;-)

          The World Scout Jamboree was a totally uplifting experience - see if some of the young people's energy & enthusiasm from Hylands Park and everywhere else in the world this summer can permeate into Illinois too and affect those crusty old Scout Masters who are giving you a hard time.
          73
          
          Malcolm - G4CXT
          District Explorer Scout Commissioner, Deben District, Suffolk
          



           


          From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Serocki
          Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
          To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

           

          I need some assistance here.

           

          Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

           

          I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

           

          So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

           

          Thanks

           

          73, Joe, N9IFG

          n ebaY
        • barry whittemore
          I started the BSA Troop 135 ARC within our troop. so far there is not a a great deal of interest but there will be some. last year for the Daniel Webster
          Message 4 of 24 , Sep 25 3:49 AM
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            I started the BSA Troop 135 ARC within our troop. so far there is not a a great deal of interest but there will be some. last year for the Daniel Webster Council JOTA at the Camp Carpenter in Manchester 300 visitors showed up. we will be there again this year as well as a demo at the NH Jamboree OCT 6 put on by the Yankee Clipper Contest Club. I will be at both events. so listen for us.
            Barry
            WB1EDI/KB1NH



            To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
            From: joeserocki@...
            Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:32:14 -0500
            Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

            I need some assistance here.

             

            Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

             

            I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

             

            So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

             

            Thanks

             

            73, Joe, N9IFG

            Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428. com)

            Prez, WeLCARS (http://welcars. org)

            Advisor, Venture Crew 743 (http://743.no- ip.org)

            IRLP Node 4239

             

            From: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bill Morine
            Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
            To: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
            Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

             

            Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
            story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
            might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?

            73,
            Bill Morine
            K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National Jamborees

            WAYNESVILLE, N.C. — Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
            the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
            the heavily wooded area, officials said.

            "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
            Council in Raleigh. "They're out of the woods."

            Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a trail
            and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
            daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.

            Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
            said they followed their training.

            "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is hunker
            down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
            said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They were,
            as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."

            Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
            finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
            the troop had gotten off the trail.

            The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
            The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution in
            case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
            Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.

            Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-square-
            mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
            overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
            dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.

            (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)




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          • Bill Stewart - W2BSA
            This is another case of a Council not knowing what they are talking about. When someone makes a flat statement like that, that s usually the sign of
            Message 5 of 24 , Sep 25 5:54 AM
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              This is another case of a Council not knowing what they are talking about. When someone makes
              a flat statement like that, that's usually the sign of cluelessness. Do JOTA as a Crew and let everyone in your Council
              know about it. Tell them when and where and make sure you're there operating.
              Is your Council just a small Council with no Districts??? If not, then do JOTA on the District level.

              73,

              Bill Stewart. W2BSA

              Joe Serocki wrote:

              I need some assistance here.

               

              Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

               

              I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

               

              So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

               

              Thanks

               

              73, Joe, N9IFG

              Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428. com)

              Prez, WeLCARS (http://welcars. org)

              Advisor, Venture Crew 743 (http://743.no- ip.org)

              IRLP Node 4239

               

              From: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bill Morine
              Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
              To: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
              Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

               

              Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
              story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
              might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?

              73,
              Bill Morine
              K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National Jamborees

              WAYNESVILLE, N.C. — Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
              the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
              the heavily wooded area, officials said.

              "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
              Council in Raleigh. "They're out of the woods."

              Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a trail
              and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
              daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.

              Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
              said they followed their training.

              "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is hunker
              down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
              said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They were,
              as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."

              Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
              finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
              the troop had gotten off the trail.

              The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
              The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution in
              case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
              Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.

              Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-square-
              mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
              overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
              dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.

              (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

            • Bill Stewart - W2BSA
              Malcolm we do welcome the ladies in our Venturing and Exploring programs. But, part of the problem is the Girl Scouts of the USA. They don t really want to do
              Message 6 of 24 , Sep 25 6:09 AM
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                Malcolm we do welcome the ladies in our Venturing and Exploring programs. But, part of the problem
                is the Girl Scouts of the USA. They don't really want to do anything with the Boy Scouts. Merger has been periodically
                talked about so that we would operate much like the Canadians, but, there seems to be a stubborn streak. It definitely
                goes both ways though.

                73,

                Bill, W2BSA

                Malcolm - G4CXT wrote:

                Its time to get rid of your Scout Masters then.

                What absolute twaddle.  Technology & Engineering are two of the disciplines which have been responsible for the phenomenal rate of "progress" we have all seen in our life times - medicine being another.

                If your Scout Masters can't see the connection between Scouting & Technology simply ask them how come 11 out of 12 of the astronauts who have stepped on the moon were Scouts.  Ask them who they expect to be designing the TV sets, Flight Control equipment and (though it pains me to say it) weapons in the future.  Of course, its those same Scouts who today aspire to be Eagle Scouts - today's Scouts are tomorrow's leaders.

                If they can't find an answer then ask them to consider their future and seriously examine whether they are serving the best interests of their Scouts by taking such an approach. If they still don't get the message, then replace them!

                Oh yes, while you are at it try to drop the "master" bit and "boy scout" stuff - yep, let the girls in, they will show you a thing or two about tomorrow's future leaders  ;-)

                The World Scout Jamboree was a totally uplifting experience - see if some of the young people's energy & enthusiasm from Hylands Park and everywhere else in the world this summer can permeate into Illinois too and affect those crusty old Scout Masters who are giving you a hard time.

                73
                
                Malcolm - G4CXT
                District Explorer Scout Commissioner, Deben District, Suffolk
                  



                 


                From: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Joe Serocki
                Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
                To: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
                Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

                 

                I need some assistance here.

                 

                Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

                 

                I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

                 

                So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

                 

                Thanks

                 

                73, Joe, N9IFG

                n ebaY
              • Gary Wilson
                ... Badge ... Then I ... do not ... their kids ... badges are ... Radio, ... also was ... larger ... It s definitely local. We run a Radio Merit Day each year
                Message 7 of 24 , Sep 25 7:01 AM
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                  --- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Serocki" <joeserocki@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > I need some assistance here.
                  >
                  > Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics and Electricity Merit
                  Badge
                  > classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why.
                  Then I
                  > realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting
                  do not
                  > mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won't allow
                  their kids
                  > to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit
                  badges are
                  > not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than
                  Radio,
                  > Electronics and Electricity.
                  >
                  > I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I
                  also was
                  > told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.
                  >
                  > So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of
                  larger
                  > phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

                  It's definitely local. We run a Radio Merit Day each year here in
                  Central NJ Council and have to turn away Scouts after we reach our 60
                  Scout maximum.

                  I suggest you try an find a locally active well known Scouter who
                  also is a ham and use him as your conduit for putting a face on your
                  activities when you publicize them with visits to the local
                  Roundtables, etc. E-mails and flyers alone won't cut it.

                  As for Radio in Scouting, the very first BSA Handbook from 1911
                  included instructions on building your home wireless station, so it
                  definitely has been a part of Scouting from day one.

                  73

                  Gary, K2GW
                • Dan Fisher AI4GK
                  Joe, You can t TELL Council that they re wrong. You have to SHOW them they are! We have a similar attitude in Central Florida Council, but not nearly to that
                  Message 8 of 24 , Sep 25 7:06 AM
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                    Joe,

                    You can't TELL Council that they're wrong. You have to SHOW them they are!

                    We have a similar attitude in Central Florida Council, but not nearly to that extreme. We also have a ban on electronics. I think that the idea is that Scouts have their ipods and PSP's and CD players and handhelds, etc. with them continually. The idea is to break them away from their electronics to pay attention during the outdoor activities. The modification of this is that they can have electronics in their own tents, QUIETLY, during "quiet time" in the evening.

                    Our district (Manatee) has an informal policy that allows Scouts who are licensed, to bring ham radio with them. Last March, we had a Radio Merit Badge Camporee, where about 160 Scouts earned RMB. It was a tremendous success. The vast majority of Scouts enjoyed the camporee, which brought technology into nature. We had a number of activities that were ham radio related, like an Amateur TV camera and transmitter on an RC airplane. The Scouts got to watch where the craft was and got to see the camp from 100-or-so feet up.

                    We did Morse code, semaphore, and had a crystal radio building station. We had a demo by BEARS -- Brevard Emergency Amateur Radio Services. They brought their $100,000+ mobile command center to the Camporee. We had a SSTV demo, and oh yes, the boys made HF contacts.

                    Keith Schreiber KC0DIV and i do JOTA pretty much every year. If your council or district has an e-mail list like this, post your JOTA plans there. You don't have to activate for the entire weekend. Go to your district's Roundtable and ask for a few minutes there to pitch JOTA. Hand out the pre-printed JOTA flyers you can get from the ARRL Web site. Also, include Girl Scouts. Remember, JOTA is for them also. If you have only 2 or 3 Scouts who show up, consider that a rousing success!! Then talk it up at the next Roundtable and on the e-mail reflector and at Scout meetings. (Another good avenue to get Scouts to go to something--go to the troop and pack meetings to talk something up.) If you go to the meetings ahead of time and talk it up, then go around again afterward and say how much fun everyone had, it'll spark something in the minds of the Scouts. Y0u don't have to tell them there were only a handful of Scouts that showed up!

                    If you're a Scout leader, bring your radio to camp. Find a place to set up where there will be lots of Scouts walking by, and start operating. Hopefully there will be good enough propagation to make good contacts. If not, make sure you've brought a collection of QSL cards. You can show them to the Scouts and explain that those are other hams you've contacted. If you don't have a good collection, have a ham who does come out and help with the portable station. If propagation is crappy, just say "It's like fishing. Sometimes you catch more than you can handle and some days you don't catch much of anything. Today is one of those days, but I've talked to hams in (list some cool places that these boys have heard of but most likely haven't visited)."

                    Remember, you don't have to have hundreds of Scouts at an event to have a good time. If you're passionate about what you're doing, it will show, and the boys will become excited. You'll become known as the "Ham Radio Guy." After a while it will be expected that you'll be bringing your radios to all camp outs, and you WILL have some Scouts get interested.

                    Keep on scouting and hamming!

                    73,
                    Dan AI4GK
                    Dan Fisher, AI4GK
                    www.qrz.com/ai4gk
                    http://ai4gk.r2i.net
                    Public Service Chairman, Platinum Coast Amateur Radio Society (www.pcars.org)
                    Brevard County FL Public Information Officer, ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio (www.arrl.org)


                    Joe Serocki wrote:

                    I need some assistance here.

                     

                    Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won’t allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

                     

                    I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

                     

                    So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

                     

                    Thanks

                     

                    73, Joe, N9IFG

                    Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428. com)

                    Prez, WeLCARS (http://welcars. org)

                    Advisor, Venture Crew 743 (http://743.no- ip.org)

                    IRLP Node 4239

                     

                    From: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups..com [mailto:ScoutRadio@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bill Morine
                    Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
                    To: ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
                    Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

                     

                    Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
                    story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
                    might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?

                    73,
                    Bill Morine
                    K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National Jamborees

                    WAYNESVILLE, N.C. — Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
                    the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
                    the heavily wooded area, officials said.

                    "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
                    Council in Raleigh. "They're out of the woods."

                    Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a trail
                    and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
                    daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.

                    Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
                    said they followed their training.

                    "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is hunker
                    down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
                    said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They were,
                    as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."

                    Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
                    finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
                    the troop had gotten off the trail.

                    The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
                    The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution in
                    case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
                    Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.

                    Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-square-
                    mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
                    overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
                    dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.

                    (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

                  • Joe Serocki
                    Merger will never happen. The Boy Scout troops are chartered by an external organization, the Girl Scouts do not, they are not owned . Conversations like this
                    Message 9 of 24 , Sep 25 7:15 AM
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                      Merger will never happen. The Boy Scout troops are chartered by an external organization, the Girl Scouts do not, they are not 'owned'. Conversations like this have almost come to brawling!
                       
                      I have been doing some checking, and you are right. The Scoutsmasters over here seem to be very technology-scared. Who knows.
                       
                      I would like to thank all of you for your feedback! We were thinking of not doing JOTA, but now we are proceeding along the lines of getting it done, and this is gonna be great!

                       
                      On 9/25/07, Bill Stewart - W2BSA <w2bsa@...> wrote:

                      Malcolm we do welcome the ladies in our Venturing and Exploring programs. But, part of the problem
                      is the Girl Scouts of the USA. They don't really want to do anything with the Boy Scouts. Merger has been periodically
                      talked about so that we would operate much like the Canadians, but, there seems to be a stubborn streak. It definitely
                      goes both ways though.

                      73,

                      Bill, W2BSA



                      Malcolm - G4CXT wrote:

                      Its time to get rid of your Scout Masters then.

                      What absolute twaddle.  Technology & Engineering are two of the disciplines which have been responsible for the phenomenal rate of "progress" we have all seen in our life times - medicine being another.

                      If your Scout Masters can't see the connection between Scouting & Technology simply ask them how come 11 out of 12 of the astronauts who have stepped on the moon were Scouts.  Ask them who they expect to be designing the TV sets, Flight Control equipment and (though it pains me to say it) weapons in the future.  Of course, its those same Scouts who today aspire to be Eagle Scouts - today's Scouts are tomorrow's leaders.

                      If they can't find an answer then ask them to consider their future and seriously examine whether they are serving the best interests of their Scouts by taking such an approach. If they still don't get the message, then replace them!

                      Oh yes, while you are at it try to drop the "master" bit and "boy scout" stuff - yep, let the girls in, they will show you a thing or two about tomorrow's future leaders  ;-)

                      The World Scout Jamboree was a totally uplifting experience - see if some of the young people's energy & enthusiasm from Hylands Park and everywhere else in the world this summer can permeate into Illinois too and affect those crusty old Scout Masters who are giving you a hard time.

                      73
                      
                      Malcolm - G4CXT
                      District Explorer Scout Commissioner, Deben District, Suffolk
                        



                       


                      From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Serocki
                      Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
                      To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe

                       

                      I need some assistance here.

                       

                      Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics  and Electricity Merit Badge classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why. Then I realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting do not mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won't allow their kids to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit badges are not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than Radio, Electronics  and Electricity.

                       

                      I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

                       

                      So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of larger phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?

                       

                      Thanks

                       

                      73, Joe, N9IFG

                      n ebaY


                    • William Albert
                      I see the same things in my council. They don t promote JOTA because it doesn t generate any income for the council. If you can find a way to charge for it
                      Message 10 of 24 , Sep 25 7:27 AM
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                        I see the same things in my council.  They don't promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income for the council.  If you can find a way to charge for it and send the revenue to the council, they will eat it up. 
                         
                        I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie" MB, boy were they surprised.


                        William (Bill) Albert
                        Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                        Emergency Communications Officer
                        Refugio County EOC, Texas
                         
                        "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."
                        -- Thomas A. Edison
                         
                      • Bill Stewart - W2BSA
                        Hey Bill, I think you really hit the nail on the head. If it doesn t generate revenue Council doesn t want to hear about it. That s why if you can work it at
                        Message 11 of 24 , Sep 25 7:33 AM
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                          Hey Bill,
                          I think you really hit the nail on the head. If it doesn't generate revenue Council doesn't want to hear about it.
                          That's why if you can work it at the District level you have a better chance of accomplishing something.

                          73,

                          Bill, W2BSA

                          William Albert wrote:
                          I see the same things in my council.  They don't promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income for the council.  If you can find a way to charge for it and send the revenue to the council, they will eat it up. 
                           
                          I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie" MB, boy were they surprised.


                          William (Bill) Albert
                          Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                          Emergency Communications Officer
                          Refugio County EOC, Texas
                           
                          "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."
                          -- Thomas A. Edison
                           
                        • LewisUpshur LEPC
                          I have been doing JOTA for the last 4 yrs. I have taught the Radio MB each time. I just tried to start a Ham radio club for the council that would be run by
                          Message 12 of 24 , Sep 25 7:50 AM
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                            I have been doing JOTA for the last 4 yrs.
                            I have taught the Radio MB each time.

                            I just tried to start a Ham radio club for the council
                            that would be run by registered scouters.

                            I had an audience with the Executive Committe.

                            The president told me he would support my proposal if
                            I establish a Venture crew.

                            Other mebers want more input and advice from National.

                            It may not be worth the effort.
                            --- William Albert <cmoprcc@...> wrote:

                            > I see the same things in my council. They don't
                            > promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income
                            > for the council. If you can find a way to charge
                            > for it and send the revenue to the council, they
                            > will eat it up.
                            >
                            > I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter
                            > Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie"
                            > MB, boy were they surprised.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > William (Bill) Albert
                            > Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                            > Emergency Communications Officer
                            > Refugio County EOC, Texas
                            >
                            > "We don't know a millionth of one percent about
                            > anything."
                            > -- Thomas A. Edison
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >




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                          • frank@fmaynard.com
                            ... I would suggest that you go ahead and do a JOTA station anyway. Tie it in to your unit and invite other troops and packs. Even if nobody shows up you ll
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                              On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Joe Serocki wrote:

                              > I also was told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.

                              I would suggest that you go ahead and do a JOTA station anyway. Tie it in
                              to your unit and invite other troops and packs. Even if nobody shows up
                              you'll get on the air and can work other scouts. Try to do it outdoors
                              with portable gear.

                              We are lucky in that this time around we have a camporee to operate from,
                              and the troop that is hosting the camporee is supportive and welcoming of
                              our efforts. Last year we helped at the camporee providing radio comms
                              along the six mile hiking trail.

                              We started slowly, though. For the first couple years it was just a
                              couple of us scouter-hams, and we found a city park to set up in. We put
                              out flyers at Roundtable and we got a handful of scouts, but at least we
                              activated, learned a bit about making temporary antennas stay up in the
                              winds of October, and figured out what we would need to do to make it more
                              successful. It was not that we lacked support from Council - I don't
                              think they'd ever been much involved in ham radio - but there was not much
                              interest previously. We created the interest by providing the event. I
                              also created some awareness in our council committee and scout executive
                              with my Wood Badge ticket.

                              Last year for the first time we combined talent among the districts for a
                              standalone JOTA and had around 30 scouts stop by. There were no camporees
                              in our council on JOTA weekend to draw attendance from, so we felt it was
                              respectable. Some participants drove 30-40 miles to come. You can read
                              about it in the OCARG Eagle.

                              I am thinking of doing either a display or a costumed announcement at
                              Roundtable next month. Any ideas for a good visual presentation? (Dress
                              up like an old-time telegrapher with the green visor and rolled up
                              sleeves? Or maybe try the Al Franken hardhat-with-satellite-dish
                              gimmick?)

                              --
                              Yours in Scouting,
                              Frank Maynard, NF8M
                              CC, Troop 407; CR, Pack 54, Novi, Michigan
                              Ottawa District Cub Training Chair, Clinton Valley Council
                              Trustee, WB8BSA ...and a good old Bobwhite too! (C-23-04)
                            • Joe Serocki
                              We have had a technology centric venture crew operating for years. It IS worth the effort. It is simple and provides you insurance coverage for activities!
                              Message 14 of 24 , Sep 25 7:56 AM
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                                We have had a technology centric venture crew operating for years. It IS worth the effort. It is simple and provides you insurance coverage for activities! Also, the Club events that are linked with the Crew are covered, which is great.
                                 
                                Hope that helps!

                                 
                                On 9/25/07, LewisUpshur LEPC <lewisupshur_lepc@...> wrote:

                                I have been doing JOTA for the last 4 yrs.
                                I have taught the Radio MB each time.

                                I just tried to start a Ham radio club for the council
                                that would be run by registered scouters.

                                I had an audience with the Executive Committe.

                                The president told me he would support my proposal if
                                I establish a Venture crew.

                                Other mebers want more input and advice from National.

                                It may not be worth the effort.
                                --- William Albert < cmoprcc@...> wrote:

                                > I see the same things in my council. They don't
                                > promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income
                                > for the council. If you can find a way to charge
                                > for it and send the revenue to the council, they
                                > will eat it up.
                                >
                                > I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter
                                > Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie"
                                > MB, boy were they surprised.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > William (Bill) Albert
                                > Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                                > Emergency Communications Officer
                                > Refugio County EOC, Texas
                                >
                                > "We don't know a millionth of one percent about
                                > anything."
                                > -- Thomas A. Edison
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >

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                              • Tony Wevers
                                Having the Exec. Committee endorse your idea is wonderful. A Radio Club does not fit Scouting s programs offered, but it does have potential to fit into the
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                                  Having the Exec. Committee endorse your idea is wonderful.
                                   
                                  A Radio Club does not fit Scouting's programs offered, but it does have potential to fit into the Venture Crew program, from what I know about it.
                                  The Crew needs to be chartered to an organization, if I understand it correctly.
                                  The Council cannot be the chartering org.
                                   
                                  It could be however, an amateur Radio Club that is formed for the express purpose of chartering supporting the Crew's life in Scouting.
                                  The club can get assistance from other local hams and the ARRL in offering JOTA, Radio Merit Badge and licensing materials, things that it appears that you are doing already. 
                                   
                                  It looks like the "Chicken" needs to be the Radio Club to be able to lay the ground work for the "egg", or Venture Crew to hatch.
                                   
                                  BTW- the Venture Crew Members could then easliy be the feeder org for the Radio Club membership down the line, another cycle of life.......
                                   
                                  I know it always looks good on paper ......   :>)
                                   
                                  Please feel free to append this if there are any errors, as I too would like to explore the possibilty of starting a Venture Crew locally for Amateur Radio.
                                   
                                  YIS, 73
                                  Tony N2JZW

                                  LewisUpshur LEPC <lewisupshur_lepc@...> wrote:
                                  I have been doing JOTA for the last 4 yrs.
                                  I have taught the Radio MB each time.

                                  I just tried to start a Ham radio club for the council
                                  that would be run by registered scouters.

                                  I had an audience with the Executive Committe.

                                  The president told me he would support my proposal if
                                  I establish a Venture crew.

                                  Other mebers want more input and advice from National.

                                  It may not be worth the effort.
                                  --- William Albert <cmoprcc@swbell. net> wrote:

                                  > I see the same things in my council. They don't
                                  > promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income
                                  > for the council. If you can find a way to charge
                                  > for it and send the revenue to the council, they
                                  > will eat it up.
                                  >
                                  > I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter
                                  > Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie"
                                  > MB, boy were they surprised.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > William (Bill) Albert
                                  > Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                                  > Emergency Communications Officer
                                  > Refugio County EOC, Texas
                                  >
                                  > "We don't know a millionth of one percent about
                                  > anything."
                                  > -- Thomas A. Edison
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >

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                                • Joe Serocki
                                  To be honest this is what we did for WeLCARS. WeLCARS was formed to charter VC743, so allow adults to work with kids and teach them technology. Not necessarily
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                                    To be honest this is what we did for WeLCARS.
                                     
                                    WeLCARS was formed to charter VC743, so allow adults to work with kids and teach them technology. Not necessarily amateur radio or ever only radio, but technology in general. It has worked out very well. Hard part is getting kids interested in the real technology, not just game playing and IMing people. There are so few that understand the underlying parts of it that we felt it appropriate to provide this.
                                     
                                    That really worked out when we had our hamfest. The fest needed insurance, and the club didnt need money, so we took the profits and provided them to the crew, who worked the event, and by filing the paperwork we were insured. Sounds like a scam but it worked out well!

                                     
                                    On 9/25/07, Tony Wevers <ajw629@...> wrote:

                                    Having the Exec. Committee endorse your idea is wonderful.
                                     
                                    A Radio Club does not fit Scouting's programs offered, but it does have potential to fit into the Venture Crew program, from what I know about it.
                                    The Crew needs to be chartered to an organization, if I understand it correctly.
                                    The Council cannot be the chartering org.
                                     
                                    It could be however, an amateur Radio Club that is formed for the express purpose of chartering supporting the Crew's life in Scouting.
                                    The club can get assistance from other local hams and the ARRL in offering JOTA, Radio Merit Badge and licensing materials, things that it appears that you are doing already. 
                                     
                                    It looks like the "Chicken" needs to be the Radio Club to be able to lay the ground work for the "egg", or Venture Crew to hatch.
                                     
                                    BTW- the Venture Crew Members could then easliy be the feeder org for the Radio Club membership down the line, another cycle of life.......
                                     
                                    I know it always looks good on paper ......   :>)
                                     
                                    Please feel free to append this if there are any errors, as I too would like to explore the possibilty of starting a Venture Crew locally for Amateur Radio.
                                     
                                    YIS, 73
                                    Tony N2JZW

                                    LewisUpshur LEPC <lewisupshur_lepc@...> wrote:
                                    I have been doing JOTA for the last 4 yrs.
                                    I have taught the Radio MB each time.

                                    I just tried to start a Ham radio club for the council
                                    that would be run by registered scouters.

                                    I had an audience with the Executive Committe.

                                    The president told me he would support my proposal if
                                    I establish a Venture crew.

                                    Other mebers want more input and advice from National.

                                    It may not be worth the effort.
                                    --- William Albert < cmoprcc@...> wrote:

                                    > I see the same things in my council. They don't
                                    > promote JOTA because it doesn't generate any income
                                    > for the council. If you can find a way to charge
                                    > for it and send the revenue to the council, they
                                    > will eat it up.
                                    >
                                    > I have taught RM to scouts at are local "Winter
                                    > Camp", most thought it was going to be a "gimmie"
                                    > MB, boy were they surprised.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > William (Bill) Albert
                                    > Amateur "Extra" Radio call:AD5TD
                                    > Emergency Communications Officer
                                    > Refugio County EOC, Texas
                                    >
                                    > "We don't know a millionth of one percent about
                                    > anything."
                                    > -- Thomas A. Edison
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >

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                                  • frank@fmaynard.com
                                    ... This is what I concluded when working my ticket. Rather than the council be the trustee for the license, it was suggested that it be done within a unit,
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Sep 25 9:49 AM
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                                      On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Tony Wevers wrote:

                                      > A Radio Club does not fit Scouting's programs offered, but it does
                                      > have potential to fit into the Venture Crew program,
                                      ...
                                      > The Crew needs to be chartered to an organization,
                                      ...
                                      > It could be however, an amateur Radio Club that is formed for the
                                      > express purpose of chartering supporting the Crew's life in Scouting.

                                      This is what I concluded when working my ticket. Rather than the council
                                      be the trustee for the license, it was suggested that it be done within a
                                      unit, and preferably a new Venturing crew. At this point we have set up
                                      the groundwork for this to happen in the future by forming the "Clinton
                                      Valley Scout Radio Club", which could then become the chartered org for a
                                      Venturing crew devoted to radio, and possibly technology in a larger
                                      sense. The challenge now is to find enough potential Venturers interested
                                      in technology within a convenient geographic area.

                                      --
                                      Yours in Scouting,
                                      Frank Maynard, NF8M
                                      CC, Troop 407; CR, Pack 54, Novi, Michigan
                                      Ottawa District Cub Training Chair, Clinton Valley Council
                                      Trustee, WB8BSA ...and a good old Bobwhite too! (C-23-04)
                                    • Joe Serocki
                                      That challenge is a huge challenge. We had our crew run hot and cold for years. I think we will be able to regroup this time out, but we could not even scare
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Sep 25 10:38 AM
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                                        That challenge is a huge challenge. We had our crew run hot and cold for years. I think we will be able to regroup this time out, but we could not even scare up 5 kids to recharter this time out. It was pretty sad

                                        On 9/25/07, frank@... <frank@...> wrote:

                                        On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Tony Wevers wrote:

                                        > A Radio Club does not fit Scouting's programs offered, but it does
                                        > have potential to fit into the Venture Crew program,
                                        ...
                                        > The Crew needs to be chartered to an organization,
                                        ...
                                        > It could be however, an amateur Radio Club that is formed for the
                                        > express purpose of chartering supporting the Crew's life in Scouting.

                                        This is what I concluded when working my ticket. Rather than the council
                                        be the trustee for the license, it was suggested that it be done within a
                                        unit, and preferably a new Venturing crew. At this point we have set up
                                        the groundwork for this to happen in the future by forming the "Clinton
                                        Valley Scout Radio Club", which could then become the chartered org for a
                                        Venturing crew devoted to radio, and possibly technology in a larger
                                        sense. The challenge now is to find enough potential Venturers interested
                                        in technology within a convenient geographic area.

                                        --
                                        Yours in Scouting,
                                        Frank Maynard, NF8M
                                        CC, Troop 407; CR, Pack 54, Novi, Michigan
                                        Ottawa District Cub Training Chair, Clinton Valley Council
                                        Trustee, WB8BSA ...and a good old Bobwhite too! (C-23-04)


                                      • frank@fmaynard.com
                                        ... In our town we have two troops with about 30 active scouts each. The other troop is trying to get a high-adventure based crew started, but I don t think
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                                          On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Joe Serocki wrote:

                                          > That challenge is a huge challenge.
                                          ...
                                          > we could not even scare up 5 kids to recharter this time out.

                                          In our town we have two troops with about 30 active scouts each. The other
                                          troop is trying to get a high-adventure based crew started, but I don't
                                          think they are having a lot of luck. They included us in recruiting, but
                                          none of our boys joined. The reality is that given the age group, 14-20,
                                          most 14-17 year olds are keeping busy with school, extracurricular
                                          activities and friends, with whatever time left over going to scouting.
                                          (All but one of our high-school scouts are either in sports or band, which
                                          take up huge amounts of time.) I doubt that very many would want to join
                                          yet another scouting unit. After age 17-18 they are away at college for
                                          the most part.

                                          I know that Venturing doubles the pool of possible participants by
                                          including girls, but how many girls are into geek stuff like radio and
                                          technology? There may be a few, but not many.

                                          --
                                          Yours in Scouting,
                                          Frank Maynard, NF8M
                                          CC, Troop 407; CR, Pack 54, Novi, Michigan
                                          Ottawa District Cub Training Chair, Clinton Valley Council
                                          Trustee, WB8BSA ...and a good old Bobwhite too! (C-23-04)
                                        • mirkwood3522
                                          Joe, I started doing JOTA with our CubScout Pack. The Cubs loved it, and last year I took it to the District Cub-O-Ree where it was again well recieved. We
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                                            Joe,

                                            I started doing JOTA with our CubScout Pack. The Cubs loved it, and
                                            last year I took it to the District Cub-O-Ree where it was again well
                                            recieved. We had paper charts for them to work out the phonetics of
                                            their first names, and for them to decipher phrases from their Cub
                                            Scout Handbook written in Morse Code, as well as the opportunity to
                                            talk to other Scouts by radio.
                                            Now we are the new guys in the Boy Scout Troop. I have been trying
                                            to make contact with other Radio Scouters in the Council to put
                                            together a real show for the 50th JOTA. Nada, Zip, Nothing. Leaders
                                            I spoke to wished me luck, but no hits. I had about decided to work
                                            JOTA 2007 from home and send patches to the Scouts I worked. One
                                            last try was to present the idea to the advisors of the local OA
                                            lodge. I presented it as a side event, not interfering with their
                                            Fall Fellowship program, but available to all who wanted to drop by.
                                            They presented it to the Lodge Executive Council, some of whom had
                                            seen their first JOTA in the Cub Pack. I will be operating from our
                                            Council camp on Saturday Oct 20 from about 0900 EDT to 1800 EDT on
                                            whichever HF bands give me propagation.
                                            The key here is to start simple with the small kids, and your program
                                            will grow as they grow.

                                            Jim Baker KQ4BH
                                            Troop 899 Troop Committee
                                            Radio Merit Badge Counselor
                                            http://www.w4gs.org/members/kq4bh/index.html
                                            > >
                                            > > *From:* ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
                                            [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com<ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com>]
                                            > > *On Behalf Of *Joe Serocki
                                            > > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
                                            > > *To:* ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > *Subject:* RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > I need some assistance here.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics and Electricity
                                            Merit Badge
                                            > > classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering
                                            why. Then I
                                            > > realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and
                                            Scouting do not
                                            > > mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won't allow
                                            their kids
                                            > > to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit
                                            badges are
                                            > > not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges
                                            than Radio,
                                            > > Electronics and Electricity.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I
                                            also was
                                            > > told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of
                                            larger
                                            > > phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Thanks
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > 73, Joe, N9IFG
                                            > > n ebaY<http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1751-2978-238/1?
                                            aid=10356774&pid=2316294>
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • mstrrecd
                                            Joe, Sorry to hear about your experience. It is sad but true, as I have experienced and faced many of the same attitudes toward radio and technology. I have
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Oct 4, 2007
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                                              Joe,

                                              Sorry to hear about your experience. It is sad but true, as I have
                                              experienced and faced many of the same attitudes toward radio and
                                              technology. I have been a little more fortunate in a couple of
                                              ways. First, the opportunity to work with a scoutmaster who flew
                                              helicopter combat missions in Iraq and understands and appreciates
                                              the importance of radio communications. Also, I have had the support
                                              and assistance of fellow Amateurs at the district level in organizing
                                              an event this year.

                                              Our event will be held at Camp Lakota and we have had the good
                                              fortune to be allowed to be part of a Webelos Unplugged event to held
                                              there that weekend. We will be part of the regular program rotation
                                              serving ~200 scouts and their parents. We have a lot of neat
                                              activities planned. Information can be found at:
                                              http://pathfinder.nwsc.org/JOTA%20Flyer.pdf

                                              As it appears you are in my neck of the woods, I would like to invite
                                              you and any one you would like to bring out to our JOTA event. We
                                              need all the help we can get and would welcome your assistance. We
                                              especially need help Sunday, as there will be three morning rotations
                                              and then we need to tear down. Please feel free to contact me
                                              directly.

                                              Kent Ochs
                                              W9KAO


                                              --- In ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Serocki" <joeserocki@...>
                                              wrote:
                                              >
                                              > I need some assistance here.
                                              >
                                              > Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics and Electricity Merit
                                              Badge
                                              > classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering why.
                                              Then I
                                              > realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and Scouting
                                              do not
                                              > mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won't allow
                                              their kids
                                              > to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit
                                              badges are
                                              > not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges than
                                              Radio,
                                              > Electronics and Electricity.
                                              >
                                              > I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I
                                              also was
                                              > told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.
                                              >
                                              > So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of
                                              larger
                                              > phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?
                                              >
                                              > Thanks
                                              >
                                              > 73, Joe, N9IFG
                                              > Assistant Regional Coordinator, AYSO Region 428 (http://ayso428.com)
                                              > Prez, WeLCARS ( <http://welcars.no-ip.org> http://welcars.org)
                                              > Advisor, Venture Crew 743 ( <http://743.no-ip.org> http://743.no-
                                              ip.org)
                                              > IRLP Node 4239
                                              >
                                              > From: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
                                              [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com] On
                                              > Behalf Of Bill Morine
                                              > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:52 PM
                                              > To: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe
                                              >
                                              > Another reason to promote amateur radio in Scouting. Look at the
                                              > story below and see that the group did not have cell service. What
                                              > might have been the outcome if one of them had had a ham radio?
                                              >
                                              > 73,
                                              > Bill Morine
                                              > K2BSA Radio Merit Badge Instructor - 2001 and 2005 National
                                              Jamborees
                                              >
                                              > WAYNESVILLE, N.C. - Eight Boy Scouts who got lost while camping in
                                              > the North Carolina mountains turned up Monday as searchers scoured
                                              > the heavily wooded area, officials said.
                                              >
                                              > "They're fine," said Donna Johnston of the Boy Scouts' Occoneechee
                                              > Council in Raleigh. "They're out of the woods."
                                              >
                                              > Johnston said the boys and their three leaders had gotten off a
                                              trail
                                              > and decided to set up camp for another night. They waited until
                                              > daylight rather than trying to walk out in the dark.
                                              >
                                              > Rodney Jones, an assistant Scout master whose son was in the group,
                                              > said they followed their training.
                                              >
                                              > "I knew they would do as they were supposed to do and that is
                                              hunker
                                              > down," Jones said. "Everybody's in good shape, a little tired. They
                                              > said if they had cell service, they would have called us. They
                                              were,
                                              > as the Scout motto says, they were prepared."
                                              >
                                              > Kathryn Logan, whose brother was among the lost Scouts, said he was
                                              > finally able to get cell phone service Monday morning and told her
                                              > the troop had gotten off the trail.
                                              >
                                              > The group started the trip Friday and was due home Sunday evening.
                                              > The search was started after they failed to return as a precaution
                                              in
                                              > case any of the boys, all age 12 or older, might be injured, said
                                              > Charity Sharp, spokeswoman for the Cruso Fire Department.
                                              >
                                              > Firefighters and search and rescue crew members checked a five-
                                              square-
                                              > mile area near Black Balsam Knob in southern Haywood County
                                              > overnight, and a fresh search team of 15 to 30 people with tracking
                                              > dogs went out after dawn on Monday, Sharp said.
                                              >
                                              > (Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
                                              >
                                            • Dave Adsit
                                              Good info and you guys aren t alone. I have been pushing radio and the radio merit badge for 2-3 years now. From what I see, as long as you bring the program
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Oct 4, 2007
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                                                Good info and you guys aren't alone. I have been pushing radio and the radio merit badge for 2-3 years now.
                                                From what I see, as long as you bring the program our council will normally support it. You need to show that
                                                your program is popular and well attended so start out small and grow from there. The past two years at Summer
                                                Camp, I've had to teach the Radio merit badge at different locations. But that's okay because I was offering
                                                something new and "cool" to the scouts. There's only about two other hams that help me with all this on a
                                                regular basis and I know there's other ham/scouters/scouts in our council area. I approached the council about
                                                doing JOTA and they were basically open arms. SO, this will be the first year that we offer JOTA at our scout
                                                camp the entire weekend. Although it will be done in conjunction with an Explorer weekend, I have done just
                                                about everything I could to publicize around the council. Now we just wait and see what happens.
                                                 
                                                Bottom line is don't get discouraged. If you have the drive and desire to put on the program, eventually it will
                                                catch on and you can run with it. Solicit a local ham club or just get other hams around your area to put together
                                                a "Field Day" type setup.
                                                 
                                                Good Luck,
                                                Dave Adsit
                                                Stephens City, VA
                                                Shenandoah Area Council
                                                 
                                                 
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:36 AM
                                                Subject: [ScoutRadio] Re: Scouts safe

                                                Joe,

                                                I started doing JOTA with our CubScout Pack. The Cubs loved it, and
                                                last year I took it to the District Cub-O-Ree where it was again well
                                                recieved. We had paper charts for them to work out the phonetics of
                                                their first names, and for them to decipher phrases from their Cub
                                                Scout Handbook written in Morse Code, as well as the opportunity to
                                                talk to other Scouts by radio.
                                                Now we are the new guys in the Boy Scout Troop. I have been trying
                                                to make contact with other Radio Scouters in the Council to put
                                                together a real show for the 50th JOTA. Nada, Zip, Nothing. Leaders
                                                I spoke to wished me luck, but no hits. I had about decided to work
                                                JOTA 2007 from home and send patches to the Scouts I worked. One
                                                last try was to present the idea to the advisors of the local OA
                                                lodge. I presented it as a side event, not interfering with their
                                                Fall Fellowship program, but available to all who wanted to drop by.
                                                They presented it to the Lodge Executive Council, some of whom had
                                                seen their first JOTA in the Cub Pack. I will be operating from our
                                                Council camp on Saturday Oct 20 from about 0900 EDT to 1800 EDT on
                                                whichever HF bands give me propagation.
                                                The key here is to start simple with the small kids, and your program
                                                will grow as they grow.

                                                Jim Baker KQ4BH
                                                Troop 899 Troop Committee
                                                Radio Merit Badge Counselor
                                                http://www.w4gs. org/members/ kq4bh/index. html
                                                > >
                                                > > *From:* ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
                                                [mailto:ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com<ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com>]
                                                > > *On Behalf Of *Joe Serocki
                                                > > *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 PM
                                                > > *To:* ScoutRadio@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > *Subject:* RE: [ScoutRadio] Scouts safe
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > I need some assistance here.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Our Ham Radio Club offer Radio, Electronics and Electricity
                                                Merit Badge
                                                > > classes to over 2000 Scouts, we get 20 takers. I was wondering
                                                why. Then I
                                                > > realized that at least out here in Illinois technology and
                                                Scouting do not
                                                > > mix. Scoutmasters frown on any sort of technology and won't allow
                                                their kids
                                                > > to bring anything technological on events. The technical merit
                                                badges are
                                                > > not Eagle required and there are plenty of easier merit badges
                                                than Radio,
                                                > > Electronics and Electricity.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > I approached our Council and I was told that was the way it is. I
                                                also was
                                                > > told not to bother with JOTA because no one would come out.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > So, what gives? Is this only in my area or is this some sort of
                                                larger
                                                > > phenomena? Can anyone offer any feedback?
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Thanks
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > 73, Joe, N9IFG
                                                > > n ebaY<http://rover. ebay.com/ rover/1/711- 1751-2978- 238/1?
                                                aid=10356774& pid=2316294>
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                >

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