Re: [Scoutradio] Re: scout 50 miler
Actually it does. It says that High-Adventure activites are for youth 13 and over. I would classify this as a High-Adventure activity. There is a reason
that Venturing is for those 14 and over. It primarily does High-Adventure, whether it's backcountry camping and hiking or assisting the Red Cross in shelter operations.
Look at the age guidelines in the GSS.
Bill Stewart, W2BSA
Steven C. Gallafent wrote:
I have read all of this and no one has meantioned the BSA Guide-to-Safe-Scouting or the age appropriate activities list. Please folks, don't just guess these will give you the details.
Absolutely, positively correct. Guide to Safe Scouting is the definitive
answer... I've read both of these and neither says "12-13 year old Boy Scouts should not go on 50-mile hikes in the Uintas." :) It's been a while since I've read the GSS cover-to-cover, but I don't remember anything in the book that directly answers the question. According to the age-appropriate guidelines list, multi-day hikes are appropriate for Boy Scouts. So is "backpacking -- overnight, backcountry," which sounds like exactly what we're talking about. The Guide to Safe Scouting provides more detail, since it contains this: Anything can happen in the wild outdoors, and you should take measures designed to prevent accidents and injuries from occurring. Ask the question: "What would happen if ________ occurred?" Once you have identified possible problems, devise a plan to minimize the risks and to manage a crisis if one occurs. Involve the entire crew in this process so that everyone becomes aware of potential dangers and how to avoid them. And this: All backcountry treks must be supervised by a mature, conscientious adult at least 21 years of age who understands the potential risks associated with the trek. This person knowingly accepts responsibility for the well-being and safety of the youth in his or her care. And this: Obviously, the best way to stay safe in the wilderness is to not get into trouble in the first place. This requires planning, leadership, and good judgment. My interpretation of the discussion has been that we're discussing these very questions so that the original poster can make his own determination with the troop as to whether or not this activity is appropriate. Having been a unit commissioner for a while, I can say that, for the eight units I worked with, this trip would received mixed reviews. For a couple of units, I'd have said "have a good time." With those units, I would know that the adult leaders would have already had the discussion we're having here and would already have asked the "What would happen if ..." questions. They would also lead the boys through the process of preparing themselves for the trip, including conditioning hikes and everything else that has been suggested. With some of the other units, I would be concerned that the adults hadn't had this discussion and hadn't asked "what if." In those same cases, I would be concerned that the preparation wouldn't happen and the trip would be a bad experience. I guess my point is that I don't read anything in the GSS that answers the original question: Is this an appropriate trip? The troop in question is going to have to look at the proposed activity and the discussion we have had and determine, in their own good judgment, whether this is appropriate for their boys.
Thanks. I had the name of the mountain range mispelled. I personally can
see how, in the last story, 4 boys started a trek with out adult
It might be just me but, our troop would never let sonething like that happen.
I used to say that very thing. There were two separate incidents a few weeks apart in Salt Lake City a couple of years ago where scouts riding in the back of a pickup (gasp!) fell out and were killed. I mentioned to my wife that the leaders in our units wouldn't do that because we constantly harped on those safety rules. She took that opportunity to point out to me that, a few weeks earlier, she had been at an activity (boys and girls) with some of those leaders. They were doing a service project picking up trash along a one-mile stretch of dirt road. At the end of the trip, the boys climbed into the back of the leader's van and drove back down to the start of the road with the hatchback open and their legs hanging out. I'll bet you can't guess what I would say if he suggested this 50-miler. Steve Steven C. Gallafent - The Computer Guy steve@... - http://www.compguy.com/ "I used to be a Fox" Check out the UK Radio-Scouting page here at Yahoo!Groups. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radio-scouting-uk Now that you've got new licensees in your unit, why not have them subscibe to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadioYouth Visit "Operation On Target BSA" Mountain Top Signaling: http://www.ontargetbsa.org/ Great list of Scouting/Amateur Radio web sites: http://www.k1dwu.net/ham-links/clubs.-.scouting.phtml Visit the "Adventure Radio Society" http://www.natworld.com/ars/ ScoutRadio start page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadio (Email archives - member email addresses - change your subscription details, etc.) Post message: ScoutRadio@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: ScoutRadiofirstname.lastname@example.org List owner: ScoutRadioemail@example.com SCOUTING and AMATEUR RADIO - FUN FOR ALL AGES Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ScoutRadio/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ScoutRadiofirstname.lastname@example.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/