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  • Dave Fisher
    Leila, Sorry, no ideas about Marshalsea. Dave ... Calendar ... discussed ... that list) ... vacation ... expand ... wrote about ... Kew.) Any ... in ... there
    Message 1 of 4 , Nov 23, 2005
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      Leila,

      Sorry, no ideas about Marshalsea.

      Dave


      --- In ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com, "Leila Boyer"
      <boyerlo@g...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks so much, Dave, you deserve a medal. I am familiar with the
      Calendar
      > of Va. State Papers entry, and some related data noted there that
      discussed
      > the fact that some prisoners (who evidently were not included in
      that list)
      > who paid Trafford to let them off the ship in Cork! So much for a
      vacation
      > in the colonies. Do you have any suggestions for sources that might
      expand
      > on the records from Marshalsea? (I think its the prison Dickens
      wrote about
      > in Little Dorrit.) I've done a good bit of research on the 1715 in
      > Edinburgh, but haven't tackled British records (presumably at
      Kew.) Any
      > ideas?
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Dave Fisher" <stonehorse148@y...>
      > To: <ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:15 PM
      > Subject: [ScottishWarPrisoners] Re: 1715 Rebellion
      >
      >
      > > Leila,
      > >
      > > First, a quick Google search indicated that Marshalsea Prison was
      in
      > > London, Borough High Street, Southwark SE1.
      > >
      > > In the previously noted directory of Scots banished to America,
      there
      > > are many persons noted as captured at Preston in the Rebellion of
      > > 1715. For the most part, all the directory entries read as
      follows:
      > >
      > > "NAME
      > > Jacobite captured at Preston.
      > > Transported to Virginia or Jamaica on the ELIZABETH
      > > AND ANNE, master Edward Trafford, from Liverpool
      > > 29 June 1716. Landed in Virginia."
      > >
      > > A few entries (same voyage) include "York" Virginia. Some entries
      > > indicate that the person was indentured, while a couple have other
      > > amplifying information.
      > >
      > > The list of men on the ELIZABETH AND ANNE is as follows:
      > > Abercromby, John; Abbot, Frederick; Anderson, Robert; Arnott,
      David;
      > > Ayston, James; Beatty, Francis; Blackwood, James; Brown, John;
      > > Bruce, Alexander; Bruce, Robert; Burne, John; Cane, Hugh; Carr,
      > > Alexander; Carus, Christopher; Chisholm, Adam; Clark, Duncan;
      > > Copeland, Robert; Craster, William; Donaldson, John; Donaldson,
      > > Thomas; Donaldson, William; Dunbar, John; Duncan, Robert; Dunn,
      > > William; Ferguson, Alexander; Ferguson, Donald; Ferguson, James;
      > > Ferguson, Lawrence; Ferguson, Patrick; Finlay, William; Finney,
      > > Robert; Foster, Thomas; Glendenning, John; Graham, Fergus; Grant,
      > > Robert; Harris, John; Henderson, Charles; Holland, Thomas; Home,
      > > Francis; Hunter, John; Johnston, James; Johnston, John; Johnston,
      > > Robert; Kennedy, John; Kerr, John; Kerr, Robert; Kidd, Alexander;
      > > Lindsay, James; Lyon, William; McBean, John; McCullon, John;
      > > McGiliveray, Daniel; McGillivray, William; McGruther, William;
      > > McIntosh, James; McIntosh, James; McIntosh, John; McIntosh, John;
      > > McIntosh, Thomas; McKenney, Alexander; McLoughlan, Archibald;
      > > McNaughton, Malcom; McPhail, Duncan; McPherson, Owen; McQuin,
      Duncan
      > > or Daniel; Malcom, James; MarJorybanks, George; Martin, William;
      > > Maxwell, William; Menzies, Archibald; Menzies, Robert; Mitchey,
      John;
      > > Mitchell, David; Mondell, John; Murray, James; Nisbet, James;
      Noble,
      > > William; Ogilvy, John; Patterson, James; Pattullo, James or John;
      > > Peter, James; Petter, John; Porteous, John; Prophet, Sylvester;
      Rae,
      > > James; Reid of Mid Clova, Robert; Robinson, James; Robinson, John;
      > > Robinson, Robert; Rutherford, George; Rutherford, John;
      Rutherford,
      > > John; Shaw, Donald; Shaw, John; Smith, Charles; Smith, Robert;
      > > Stewart, Alexander; Stewart, Alexander; Stewart, Donald; Stewart,
      > > James; Stewart, John; Stewart, John; Stewart, John; Stewart, John;
      > > Stewart, Malcom; Stewart, Patrick; Stewart, Robert; Stewart,
      Robert;
      > > Stroak (Sturrock?), James; Stuart, Robert; Tankard, Walter;
      Thompson,
      > > Daniel; Turner, William; Urquhart, James; Watson, James; Watson,
      > > James; Watt, Alexander; White, Alexander; White, John; Wright,
      William
      > >
      > > The above information was compiled from the Calendar of Treasury
      > > Books, State Papers (Colonial), and Calendar of Virginia State
      Papers.
      > >
      > > In regard to spelling, David Dobson (or perhaps the records) did
      not
      > > distinguish between "MacXXX" and "McXXX"; they are all spelled as
      the
      > > later.
      > >
      > > Dave Fisher
      > >
      > > --- In ScottishWarPrisoners@yahoogroups.com, "Leila Boyer"
      > > <boyerlo@g...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hello,
      > > > I may have posed this question several years ago, but
      thought
      > > it's worth another try in case there are new members with new
      > > information.
      > > > Does anyone have info about prisoners after the 1715
      rebellion
      > > who were sent to Marshalsea Prison and then sent to Virginia? Some
      > > were indentured and others were not. I am particularly interested
      > > about those who shipped out on the Elizabeth and Ann and landed in
      > > Yorktown in January of 1716. Also, does anyone know where the
      > > Marshalsea Prison records are kept or if any have survived?
      > > > Thanks!
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
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