So Many Tears From Kobra
I guess our disagreement comes down to a matter of
scale. I am aware that the forced labor of human
beings still exists in some parts of the world. I
stated that early on in this thread. But I haven't
read anything lately about slave ships landing in the
port of New Orleans and other established ports to
off-load a new shipment of slaves. There are no more
auctions were slaves are opening bought and sold.
There are no large more plantations dependent on slave
I think what happens is that when a situation of Small
scale forced labor is discovered and reported in the
news it's a big story. If slavery as it was in the 17
and 1800s still exists then we as a people have our
priorities all mixed-up.
Perhaps we can agree to disagree. You can call it
slavery and I'll call it human exploitation.
The Dawn of MAN
--- kobra naghast <kobranaghast@...> wrote:
> Well, I guess we will just have to agree to
> Also, perhaps I just dont quite grasp your meaning
> of slavery, ie.
> "The past industry of slavery as I understand it".
> As I understand it, it still exists the same way as
> in the past. The
> US is by no means the only country who turns a blind
> eye. Many
> countries in the middle east are still raiding
> African communities
> for slaves, branding people, maiming them, denying
> their rights,
> buying/selling their children which sounds to me
> they same as slavery
> in the past. Perhaps there is some small way in
> which it is better,
> but I dont see it.
> This is not a plea for true justice, that will
> probably never exist,
> but it is a plea for vigilance and to recognize
> that, unfortunately,
> things go in a cycle. It would be nice to believe
> that slavery is
> over, as if humanity has advanced past it, but this
> is not the case.
> --- In SciFiNoir_Lit@yahoogroups.com, Bert
> > Kobra,
> > The situations you pointed certainly exist to some
> > extent and are criminal. But to equate them with
> > past industry of slavery as I understand it does
> > hold water.
> > In a world of six billion human beings there will
> > never be a time when true justice
> > there truly is a God and he, she or it stops
> > games with us lowly humans.
> > Hotep,
> > Bert
> > The Dawn of MAN
> > www.elbertlewisjr.com
> > --- kobra naghast <kobranaghast@m...> wrote:
> > > If I may, although I respect your opinion, I
> have to
> > > disagree with a
> > > few points
> > >
> > > First, quite a few low wage workers in the US
> > > bought and sold.
> > > Usually, in their home countries by other family
> > > members in exchange
> > > for goods and cash. Sometimes with the false
> > > that they will
> > > be freed once their debt is paid in the US,
> which of
> > > course, never
> > > happens. Women are particularly vulnerable,
> > > particularly young women
> > > who can also be coerced into the sex industry.
> > >
> > > Second, being a low wage worker is not like
> > > in the lap of
> > > luxury for a third world country. Many of these
> > > countries have an
> > > extremely wealthy, educated, pampered and well
> > > connected upper class
> > > who simply cannot or will not address the needs
> > > the larger
> > > population. What we can be proud of in the US,
> > > having the rights
> > > to protest and a history of social conciousness
> > > that we can fight
> > > the power structure.
> > >
> > > Third, many US interests, ie corporations, have
> > > simply gotten smart
> > > enough to hide their slavery. Gone are the old
> > > cotton
> > > plantations, instead have coffee plantations in
> > > south america/africa
> > > where you can pay the workers low wages or
> nothing ,
> > > transfer
> > > (ie.sell) their children to other plantations,
> > > physically maim or
> > > kill people who try to escape.
> > > knaghast
> > >
> > >