Re: [Sartre] Grounding the Real World to Philosophy
- Well said Joe. Philosophy is more like poetry and literature than science or technology. Philosophy is a mental undertaking that seeks to improve the individual from within by informing the attitude and conditioning the mind to greater complexities. It is not here to tell you rather to leave a 15% or a 30% tip for the waitress at the restaurant or how to make a better mouse trap, although the affect of philosophy might be to make you less concerned about money and more tolerant of mice.
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Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [Sartre] Grounding the Real World to Philosophy
A dyad always shows up; philosophy vrs the real world, theory vrs
application, ideas vrs practice, abstractions vrs the concrete, the
spiritual vrs the physical; so on and so on. There has always been a
sort of put-down on philosophical rambling; too ethereal, too
analytical or speculative.
I think the point is well taken that after all the ideas, it might
be good to come up with how it all relates to everyday life, to
relationship with others and so forth. However, much of the
reflection I do is in a struggle to simply understand the complexity
of certain points. So, the real value is appraised in terms of
personal growth. There is not really a quick way to objectify them
for the satisfaction of a impatient pragmatist in my midst who is
looking for a real world demonstration to validate ideas seemingly
held in bondage to excessive reflection. This is afteral, a
discussion group where idea and words reign supreme. 99% of what we
say will be forgotten by tomorrow, never finding a direct application.
For me, the value of this group is to simply refine ideas and to
establish a sense of personal clarity and eloquence; many ideas are
difficult and not easily expressed. With the help of others, friction
of minds, it helps to move forward.
Meanwhile, I do search my own situation for practical application.
However, some abstraction are simply valued in the awarness one gains
in understanding a deeper aspect of the human condition. I often
improve my own level of awarness without being able to flesh it out in
any direct or tangible result, which the pragmatist seems to expect.
I see this especially true on subjects like freedom, meaning and
being. The value is personal, psychological and subjective. The
value is in the enhansement and transformation of one's vision.
To change within is just as valid as changing the external world.
That which is going on within a person's consciousness is just a
valuable as everything going on around them (which by the way is a lot
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