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Sartre vs. Pascal

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  • quasiphilosopher
    Pascal is not recognized as an existentialist and I believe that he cannot even be seen as a precursor to existentialism. The reason being that existentialism
    Message 1 of 3 , Feb 1, 2002
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      Pascal is not recognized as an existentialist and I believe that he
      cannot even be seen as a precursor to existentialism. The reason
      being that existentialism necessarily implies that one has choices in
      the world on some sort of metaphysical level. As a Jansenist
      (Jansenism was a strict Catholic movement/sect) Pascal believed
      strongly in predestination. Thus the only part of your destiny that
      truly mattered was already settled at the beginning of time. So
      while his famous "wager" can be seen as existentialist in type it
      really isn't. It is just a cathecetic device to get people to
      believe in Christianity.
    • Marc Girod
      ... qph Pascal is not recognized as an existentialist and I believe that qph he cannot even be seen as a precursor to existentialism. He surely died too
      Message 2 of 3 , Feb 2, 2002
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        >>>>> "qph" == quasi philosopher <quasiphilosopher@...> writes:

        qph> Pascal is not recognized as an existentialist and I believe that
        qph> he cannot even be seen as a precursor to existentialism.

        He surely died too early to have the slighest chance to be an
        existentialist.
        Now, denying a possible relationship is an other issue, although such
        a relationship can be drawn as well to his arch-rival, Descartes.

        qph> As a Jansenist (Jansenism was a strict Catholic movement/sect)
        qph> Pascal believed strongly in predestination.

        In fact, _so_ strongly as to make you free, since there couldn't be
        any connection between one's behaviour and one's salvation.

        Besides, there is a religious existentialism -- if not Kiekergaard, at
        least Gabriel Marcel.

        qph> So while his famous "wager" can be seen as existentialist in type
        qph> it really isn't.

        The wager is a troublesome issue: Pascal never published it, and
        probably knew about the inherent contradiction in it: if it were true,
        God would be tricked.

        And of course, it is not mathematically rigorous, based on rates of
        infinite values before Leibnitz's proper work on infinitesimals or
        Newton's on limits.

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      • Marc Girod
        ... MGi if not Kiekergaard, at least Gabriel Marcel. ^ Kierkegaard Existentialism is the radical rejection of Plato s postulate that ideas exist in an
        Message 3 of 3 , Feb 3, 2002
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          >>>>> "MGi" == Marc Girod <girod@...> writes:

          MGi> if not Kiekergaard, at least Gabriel Marcel.
          ^
          Kierkegaard

          Existentialism is the radical rejection of Plato's postulate that
          ideas "exist" in an abstract sense, and thus "preexist" anything else.

          For Pascal, God is surely not an "idea", at least not _an_ idea.

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