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  • Bosse Helsing
    Hello Greg, Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that we at some point always is free. But what if we don`t know that? In Being and Nothingness Sartre
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      Hello Greg,
      Thank you for your comments. I agree with you that we at some point always is free.
      But what if we don`t know that?
      In Being and Nothingness Sartre describes that the consious put one self in bad faith in the
      same way as we go to sleep and are in bad faith like we are when we are dreaming.
      How we then relate to the wourld is an un-reflective choice.
      For example, some teenagers I met in my work have been exposed for what Sartre
      describes as hate from parents under their childhood. What if a person have no possibility
      to act according to a free will, that every attempt to transcendence are rejected?
      I think the consious will put itself in bad faith and the project of the bad faith will be to
      controll every step in life and in that way controll how others will respond on the behaviour.
      Would not the project of bad faith in this situation be to reject the possibility to act according
      to the free will?
      I have some difficulties to write about Sartre in English, I hope I am clear enough,
      Mery Christmas everyone
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      >There is 1 message in this issue.
      > Topics in today's digest:
      > 1. RE: Bad faith and changes
      > From: gsevans@...
      >Message: 1
      > Date: 16 Dec 1999 06:09:08 -0000
      > From: gsevans@...
      >Subject: RE: Bad faith and changes
      >Hello Bosse,
      >Actually, I don't think Sartre would have argued that we ever are in a
      >situation where we have no possibilities to act in the world according to our free will, even though there
      >may well be situations where
      >our possibilties are, indeed, limited. Bad faith is, on the other hand, when we state that "we had no other
      >choice," but to do as we did. If there is always a choice (even a limited one), we can't really state that we
      >had to exactly what it is we did (or that we "must" do something in the future). Therefore bad faith really
      >can't determine our outlook in and of itself, bad faith is something we choose to do, a way we choose to
      >look at the world ("my country, right or wrong") and new things can only be discovered when we recognize
      >our freedom and that there always exist possibilities, even if they're not always pleasant ones (e.g. fight in a
      >war and kill other people, or not fight and be branded by society at large as a coward or traitor).
      >Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:16:09 +0100
      > From: "Lena Helsing" <lena.helsing@...
      > Subject: Bad faith and changes
      > Hello,
      > My name is Bosse Helsing, and i am a new member in this
      >community. I work with tennagers who are suffering from depression and other
      >psychic illness. I am therefor interested in understanding of the human mind
      >and emotions. Especially in the relation between the human and the enviroment.
      >The question i will like to discuss is hom does changes occur in human life.
      > Sartre discuss a reflctive conscious an a unreflective
      >conscious. The unreflectiv concsious is in direct relation to the world,
      >the environment is crated within this, and role the way how we understand it.
      >So most of the time we are on a unreflective level in our minds. As I
      >understand it bad faith occurs whwn we have no possibilitys to act in the
      >world according to our free will, then the conscious change itself to handle
      >the situation and it becomes deterministic. If a person then is in bad faith
      >it will role how this person understand the world. How can, in this situation
      >changes and new thins be discovered?
      > bosse.helsing@...
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