Re: The number 1111 - Wake up Call to Mahdi?
- Greetings trixcleverspacealiean,
it is the phone number of a Naqshbandi sufi living in Berlin.
He will in 40 years in January 2004. His phone number at home ends
with ...1111. And he knows Serkan Tekin and even paid him. So that I
had or have doubts for the dating by Serkan Tekin. See book below.
But your findings made me curious indeed.
--- In SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com, "trixcleverspacealien"
> --- In SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com, "Berkant"synchronicities.:-)
> <bronzadam@y...> wrote:
> > Let's play with numbers again and find some more
> > Thanks to trixcleverspacealiean I found out that I sent messages
> > regarding the number 1111 in September 26 and October 26, 2003.
> TIME NOW TIME POSTED : 12:03a.m. 11-01-2003:
> Greetings bronzadam.
> Your dream telephone number may have been the White House Telephone
> After I read you latest post on SSS
> From: "Berkant" <bronzadam@y...>
> Date: Sat Nov 1, 2003 4:39 am
> Subject: Nixon Center Conference on Sufism and U.S. Foreign Policy
> I was reminded to send you what I found.
> On the night of 10-28-03 while surfing the net, I discovered this
> telephone number, it has the the same numbers your dream number
> IIII. The number is 202 - 456 - 1111....
> Are you aware of this telephone number?? (202) 456-1111 ?
> It is a telephone number for the White House.
> I'm sure there must be several telephone numbers assigned to the
> White House.
> I found this telephone number containg 1111 on a website titled :
> Patriots for the Defense of America
> Promoting America's Sovereign Right to Self-Defense
> It is a telephone number for the WHITE HOUSE.
> (202) 456-1111
> END OF THIS MESSAGE:
> > Some say Mehdi alehi Salam will be at the age of 40 when he willbe
> > given power only in one night to stop a big war. After readingthe
> > following calculus of trixcleverspacealiean, I remembered aTurkish
> > book authored by Serkan Tekin:just
> > http://www.yenisayfa.com/pgs/prda/prd_detail.asp?prdid=44028
> > When I had his book first time in my hand, I opened it without
> > by coincidence. And the first page I could read was page 163where
> > Serkan gives the birth date of Mehdi alehi Salam. According tohis
> > numerological study of the Holy Quran Mehdi alehi Salam was bornin
> > January 1964. So whoever this man is, he will be exactly 40 yearsHow
> > in mid of January 2004. So is this a bridge date for a coming New
> > Age? Or is this the date when he will be given knowledge? Or is
> > the date when this sleeping man will awake? Remember that 1111 is
> > also often seen as the wake-up call number by Uri Geller here.
> > can someone be given knowledge during one night? It must be a
> > act of SUFI PHYSICS. The transmission from heart to heart.
> > Of course, I take the findings of Serkan Tekin with a grain of
> > The Holy Quran is sometimes seen as the secret book or the
> > Tablet itself as every letter keeps 12000 knowledges. It is the
> > which covers all books. So when there is a Bible Code then there
> > be a Quran Code too. And there are more than 600,000 letters in
> > verses in 114 suras.)
- His followers believe that he will be Mehdi Aleyhi Salam.
Who knows? Maybe I was wrong in doubting his reality.
Or our findings here are pure nonsense which may be more possible.
So maybe it is better we forget it all.
--- In SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com, "Berkant"
> Greetings trixcleverspacealiean,
> it is the phone number of a Naqshbandi sufi living in Berlin.
> He will in 40 years in January 2004. His phone number at home ends
> with ...1111. And he knows Serkan Tekin and even paid him. So that
> had or have doubts for the dating by Serkan Tekin. See book below.SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com, "trixcleverspacealien"
> But your findings made me curious indeed.
> --- In
> <terr6180@m...> wrote:messages
> > --- In SarfattiScienceSeminar@yahoogroups.com, "Berkant"
> > <bronzadam@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's play with numbers again and find some more
> > >
> > > Thanks to trixcleverspacealiean I found out that I sent
> > > regarding the number 1111 in September 26 and October 26, 2003.Telephone
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > TIME NOW TIME POSTED : 12:03a.m. 11-01-2003:
> > Greetings bronzadam.
> > Your dream telephone number may have been the White House
> > nunber?Policy
> > After I read you latest post on SSS
> > #4424.
> > From: "Berkant" <bronzadam@y...>
> > Date: Sat Nov 1, 2003 4:39 am
> > Subject: Nixon Center Conference on Sufism and U.S. Foreign
> > I was reminded to send you what I found.
> > On the night of 10-28-03 while surfing the net, I discovered this
> > telephone number, it has the the same numbers your dream number
> > IIII. The number is 202 - 456 - 1111.
> > Are you aware of this telephone number?? (202) 456-1111 ?
> > It is a telephone number for the White House.
> > I'm sure there must be several telephone numbers assigned to the
> > White House.
> > I found this telephone number containg 1111 on a website titled :
> > http://defenseofamerica.org/
> > Patriots for the Defense of America
> > Promoting America's Sovereign Right to Self-Defense
> > It is a telephone number for the WHITE HOUSE.
> > (202) 456-1111
> > END OF THIS MESSAGE:
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Some say Mehdi alehi Salam will be at the age of 40 when he
> > > given power only in one night to stop a big war. After reading
> > > following calculus of trixcleverspacealiean, I remembered a
> > > book authored by Serkan Tekin:
> > > http://www.yenisayfa.com/pgs/prda/prd_detail.asp?prdid=44028
> > >
> > > When I had his book first time in my hand, I opened it without
> > > by coincidence. And the first page I could read was page 163
> > > Serkan gives the birth date of Mehdi alehi Salam. According to
> > > numerological study of the Holy Quran Mehdi alehi Salam was
> > > January 1964. So whoever this man is, he will be exactly 40
> > oldNew
> > > in mid of January 2004. So is this a bridge date for a coming
> > > Age? Or is this the date when he will be given knowledge? Or isis
> > this
> > > the date when this sleeping man will awake? Remember that 1111
> > > also often seen as the wake-up call number by Uri Geller here.there
> > > can someone be given knowledge during one night? It must be a
> > secret
> > > act of SUFI PHYSICS. The transmission from heart to heart.
> > >
> > > Of course, I take the findings of Serkan Tekin with a grain of
> > salt.
> > > The Holy Quran is sometimes seen as the secret book or the
> > Preserved
> > > Tablet itself as every letter keeps 12000 knowledges. It is the
> > book
> > > which covers all books. So when there is a Bible Code then
> > must
> > > be a Quran Code too. And there are more than 600,000 letters in
> > 6666
> > > verses in 114 suras.)
> > >
- Greetings trispacealien,
what do you think about the stories regarding Gurdjieff?
In my case I like some of the stories below as my forefathers come
from Turkestan. So I should be proud if only some is truth.:-) But we
may need to take most parts with grain of salt as you should always
do before eating your meal BTW.:-)
Anyway, who is Gurdjieff?
Here is an excerpt from the Christian Research Institute:
According to Gurdjieff's book Meetings with Remarkable Men, a sort of
autobiography, his family wanted him to study for the Orthodox
priesthood, while his own interests were in studying science and
technology. Meanwhile, a local priest suggested both seminary and
medical school so he could heal both soul and body. Gurdjieff
ultimately rejected all of the above because of his fascination with
the occult. Astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism and table turning,
fortune telling, and demon possession all held his interest as a
youth. He would not listen to his priest's warnings about these
things, nor did he find the explanations of science very satisfying,
either. Therefore, in his late teens, he set out to pursue these
occult "sciences," traveling throughout central Asia, the
Mediterranean basin, Egypt, Tibet, and India. The special goal of his
search was the esoteric Sarmouni school, allegedly founded in Babylon
around 2500 B.C. He had read about it in an ancient Armenian book and
felt drawn to find this school.
Gurdjieff supported himself throughout this spiritual venture with
legitimate businesses (e.g., selling carpets) and fraudulent
enterprises (e.g., coloring sparrows with aniline dye, calling
them "American canaries," and selling them at a great profit). So
enterprising was he that he eventually became a millionaire.
Gurdjieff relates that while in Afghanistan, around 1897, a dervish
(a type of Muslim mystic or Sufi) introduced him to an old man of the
Sarmouni sect he had been searching for. As the story goes, this man
arranged for an expedition to take Gurdjieff to the Sarmouni
monastery in central Turkestan, where he learned their mystical
dancing, psychic powers, and the enneagram. For the Sarmounis the
enneagram was important as a means of divination to foretell future
events as well as a tool to represent life processes, such as
personal transformation. They also used it as a symbol of the
conscious and unconscious states in human beings. These uses would
become part of Gurdjieff's spiritual teaching when he founded his own
school for attaining enlightenment.
Upon leaving the Sarmouni monastery, Gurdjieff formed a group, the
Seekers of Truth, as his companions in the quest for enlightenment
and (full) consciousness. They reportedly traveled to Tibet to make
contact with the "awakened" inner circle of humanity and to learn the
wisdom of the tulkas, the supposedly reincarnated Tibetan lamas
(monks). Later Gurdjieff snuck into Mecca and Medina, the centers of
Islam, but failed to find inner truth there. Then he went to Bokhara,
where the Bahaudin Naqshbandi band of Sufis lived.
These Naqshbandi Sufis, also called the Khwajagan or "Masters of
Wisdom," claimed to be the "World Brotherhood," composed of all
nationalities and religions, teaching that "all were united by God
the Truth." Typical of central Asian belief, the Naqshbandis had a
legend of an inner circle of humanity who formed a network of highly
evolved people with special knowledge. These people allegedly watch
over the human race and direct the course of its history. The
Naqshbandis also believed in a perpetual spiritual hierarchy headed
by the Kutb i Zaman or "Axis of the Age," a personal spirit receiving
direct revelations of the divine purpose. This spirit purportedly
transmits these revelations to humans through other spirits called
the Abdal or "Transformed Ones."
The last paragraph is very astonishing from an orthodox view of
Islam. Isn't it? Masters of Wisdom of a World Brotherhood, composed
of all nationalities and religions, typical of central Asian belief,
teaching that 'all were united by God the Truth.'
If I recall correctly there is a Bernard Freon, a specialist in
The Bon Tradition of Buddhism and an official representative of Menri
Monastery in France. The XIVth. Dalai Lama and Nobel Peace Laurate is
spiritual leader of this Tibetan Buddhism. Prof. Bernard Freon is
author of "L'art secret d'alchimie par Mère Nature" and also listed
as a Naqshbandi in France. Mystical Buddhism is my focus. But it is
sometimes mentioned in the context with Gurdjieff. So let us spent a
few minutes on it:
Bon is Tibet's oldest spiritual tradition, and the founder of the Bon
religion is Buddha Shenrab. He is said to have been born in the
mythical land of Olmo Lung Ring, whose exact location remains
something of a mystery. The land is described as dominated by Mount
Yung-drung Gu-tzeg (Edifice of Nine Swastikas), which many identify
as Mount Kailash in western Tibet. Due to the sacredness of Olmo Lung
Ring and the mountain, both the counter-clockwise swastika and the
number nine are of great significance in the Bön religion.
The Bon tradition has received explicit support from His Holiness the
Dalai Lama, who made a two day visit to Menri Monaster, Dolanji,
where he was impressed by the students' educational achievements. In
addition, he made a statement at the 1988 Tulku Conference in
Sarnath, in which he stressed the importance of preserving the Bon
tradition, as representing the indigenous source of Tibetan culture,
and acknowledging the major role it has had in shaping Tibet's unique
In 1996 I could meet Prof. Ervin Laszlo in Freiburg, Germany. He is
founder of the Club of Budapest having honorary members like H.E. Pir
Vilayat Inayat-Khan and H.E. The XIVth DALAI LAMA on board for
"All were united by God the Truth."
This was also expressed in the design of the Universal Township
Auroville in India.
"Auroville belongs to nobody in particular. Auroville belongs to
humanity as a whole."
See also here:
Introducing the Celtic Enneagram
Relation of the Golden Ratio to the enneagram
The more official page for the subject by Sheikh Hisham Kabbani who
is a keeper of the Enneagram Secret:
Groundbreaking Events at Annual Enneagram Conference
The Sufi Enneagram or Sign of the Presence of God
In the work of Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar Ph.D, the origins of the Enneagram
symbol (see illustrations) are traced from within the Sufi Tradition
of Central Asia. The Islamic Sufi tradition incorporated wisdom from
past traditions including Pythagorean, Platonic, Jewish, Christian,
Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist and Zoroastrian Religions as long as that
knowledge did not contradict the principle of Unity or belief in the
Oneness of God. The Sufi tradition inherited a sacred tradition of
psychology which existed in the past but was the first to develop
this psychological teaching into a system based on the nine points,
particularly in the work of the 13th century Islamic scholar Nasir al-
din Tusi. It was this same traditional psychology that G.I. Gurdjieff
encountered through the Sufis in Central Asia which led to his use of
the Enneagram symbol in his teaching during the 1920's. The modern
typological interpretation of the enneagram (by Riso, Ichazo, et.al.)
does not originate from this primordial tradition and is in fact
something quite different.
In her three-volume work entitled God's Will Be Done (1993, Kazi
Publications, USA) Dr. Bakhtiar describes in print for the first time
the form and meaning of the Enneagram symbol as understood from
within the Sufi-Islamic tradition in relation to traditional
'...Everything in nature but the human 'self' perfects its own
nature, to the extent that life allows, by unconsciously submitting
to the Will of God...the area with which we are concerned is the
completion of nature in its mode of operation...
God breathed His Spirit into human forms so that they gained the
powers of consciousness of 'self', which includes consciously
following one's conscience and free will. The completion of the
perfection of nature becomes a question of choice - to do or not to
And what is really know about Sumeria and Babylonia?
Here are some serious informations which may help to reduce confusion:
HERITAGE or heading to a New Paradigm
The English Colonel Henry C. Rawlinson (1810-1895) discovered the
Sumerian writing in 1835. In a letter he sent to the Royal Asiatic
Society, and were read at the meeting of Febr.5, 1853 about the
finding of large number of Scythian inscriptions, which are more
ancient than the dynasty of Nebuchadnezzar. This Scythism gave the
first civilization of area and there are abudant confirmation of the
Scythian empire of Nimrud in the Talmud (32.,228). In one of his
books (8.,) we can find traces of Scythic dominion of Asia, at the
dawn of history. This Scythic-Sumerian is close to the Mongolian and
Manchurian (33.,1438). Dr.Edward Hincks (1792-1866) suggested in
1857, that all Turanian languages are descendant of the Sumerian
(34.,134-143), and the original Turanian inhabitants of Babylonia
spoke an agglutinated tone ("Babylon and its Priest-Kings", The
Journal of Sacred literature", 8, 296-309). The Sumerian is Scythic
or Turanian ("Transactions of the Royal Irish Academy, 23, Part II"
31) and Semitic Assiro-Babylonians came after Turano-Babylonians,
adopted the system of writing of the old (Scythic) Babylonians ("The
Atlantis" 1863/4, 57-112). Norris established, we found the language
of Scythia (35.,1-52). The German-born French Jules Oppert (1825-
1905) was prof. of Sanksrit, Assyrian linguistics and archeology of
College de France. He founded the "Revue d'Assyrologie". His activity
included Assyrology, Biblical history and the research on Semitic,
Old-Persian, Sanksrit, and Turanian languages, finding: the writing-
inventor people is Scythic. He proved, the discovery of Assyro-
Scythic documents is the evidence of an ancient civilization created
by a member of Central Asian peoples (36.,177-228). In his three-
volume work give an account of his Mesopotamian expedition proving
the Turanian caracteristicals of the cuneiform writing comparing
modern Altai languages with Mesopotamian (37., 82-85).
A new chapter is started by Sayce (1833-1933), with the unparalleled
decoding of a Sumerian text(38.,1-50). As professor of Assyrology of
Oxford University compared of Sumerian to members of Turanian group,
stating, that they belongs together. In his study of Sumerian
numerals established high degree of similarity with the numerals of
Altaic peoples (39., 696-702). Studying Sumerian phonetics,
established, that the law of sound-harmony is valid in the same way
at most Altaic languages. He stressed, inevitable the initation of
Altaic languages into Sumerian-research, since it is the first
culture-bearing language of the mankind (40.,123-142), and the
Sumerian can regarded as Sanksrit of Turanian languages(41., 466),
establishing:"...Babylonian culture owed its origin to a race whose
type of language was that of the Finn, of the Magyar or the
But the best important researcher of Sumerian-Turanian connections is
the French Francois Lenormant (1837-1883). He was 33 years old, when
he became the professor of archeology of Bibliotéque Nationale, and
34, when he found the "Gazette Archéologique". Only 26 years old,
when the first volume of his famous "Études Accadiennes" is published
resulting his appointment as professor, while in 1879 he bacame the
founder of Sumerian linguistics by pointing out the parallels with
the Turanian languages (43.,). His other work is entitled "La magie
chez les Chaldéens" was a sensation of scientific life, in which he
pointed out, the Sumerians and Turanians has the same religious base.
In this large-scale analysis Lenormant compared Sumerian with the
Finnish, Estonian, Cheremis, Turko-Tartaric, Hungarian, Buryatic,
Mongolian, Manjoo, Tungusic, Korean and Japanese languages. He
stated: "The Sumerian language is exist, this existence is
undeniable" (44.,), since J. Halévy maintaining that the Sumerian
never existed, but it was the secret language of the Semite priests
of Babylonia. For the acceptance of his views he wrote an article
in "Journal Asiatique"(1874)entitled "Can we allow the presence of a
Turanian people in the soil of Babylon?", not without results, since
he lived 91 years fighting fiercely for his alleged truth untill his
late death, while Lenormant (the only scientist able to refutate
Halévy's theory) died early, living only 46 years. Halévy not became
disturbed by the fact, that archeological excavations of Lagash of
1877 and 1900 resulted not only the famous Gudea-statues, but 40.000
clay-tablets, and at Nippur-excavations 30.000 tablets became found
proving the undeniable existence of Sumerian civilization. Meanwhile
Lenormant published an other work of great importance, which received
the widest recognition in English and German academic circles, in
which he defended the thesis of the Sumerian-Turanian linguistic
relation against Halévy's crusade (45.,). Although the researchers of
Sumerian-Turanian kinship became minority due to this campaign,
nevertheless they still active. Significant representative of it
after W. W. 1st is the German-born Pater Deimel, who created his
famous Sumerian dictionary (46.,), meanwhile the significant Sumerian
grammar of Prof. Jestin (47.,). Prof. Labat of Sorbonne also
continued the work of Lenormant, where his assistant-professor
Gostony published a known book (48.,).Prof. Woolley contributed to a
UNESCO-publication establishing that the Sumerian is an agglutinative
language belonging the same group, as the Turkish, Finnish or
Hungarian (49.,). As the result of several leading experts of the
field, the contemporary science established: the Sumerian culture is
the source of both Greco-Roman and Hebrew traditions (14.,).
Sheikh Hisham Kabbani has already a direct link to the White House.
- Now Roberto, THIS is the kind of intelligent debate you should have in
"Psychic Vibrations" in
Skeptical Inquirer. Too long have you and Frazier et-al been picking
targets that are obviously Cargo Cult whilst ignoring the more heavy
hitters on the
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 03:38 PM, Robert Sheaffer wrote:
> Yes, I understand that your 'new theories' in physics do not require
> reports to be true. However, you have been suggesting that your
> explain how UFOs are possible,
> which means that UFO reports (if true) tend
> to confirm your theories.
Not quite. I mean my theories, not far from mainstream ideas at all
mind, dramatically shift the probabilities on the plausibility of the
UFO "flying saucer"
allegations also, BTW, showing the irrelevancy of things like the Drake
Eq and how they would get here - because of Star Gates and warp drives
as now likely applications of "bottled" "dark energy." Mike Turner has
prematurely said (April 2003 Physics Today) he does not think "dark
energy" can be "bottled." We will see.
> For example, see your "Zero Point Energy Gravity
> Physics Of UFOs, Star Gates, Time Travel and Parallel Brane Worlds "
> Zero%20Point%20Energy%20Gravity%20Physics.htm )
See also my "The Next Force" published in my book "Space-Time and
Beyond II" and
and my remarks in "Time Travel: The Art of the Possible" on Disc 2 of
Paramount Pictures "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" Special Collector's
Edition DVD also
my appearance on "Time Travel" Ultra Science Learning Channel (with
David Deutsch of Oxford) and two shows I did on "Thinking Allowed"
> However, I cannot fathom how you can dismiss the consensus of
> physicists as
I do not. What consensus are you talking about? How about this from a
PhD physicist, in the minority, who has studied the UFO subject:
"I did some investigating and interviewed retired senior USG executives
who laid the Nazi flying saucer (disguised as UFOs) claim (a la Cook's
book) to rest - it didn't exist and it didn't fly."
Which is pretty much what I have also been saying about Cook's book BTW.
Do you mean for example
Also WHEN? Furthermore, the fact is that MOST physicists have not
bothered to really investigate the
UFO data professionally and, therefore, their opinions on the subject
are not to be taken at face value. Physicists also jump on the latest
fashions any many are in fear of losing their jobs if they express
radical opinions. Peer pressure is very strong to be "respectable" and
not take chances. Furthermore, many physicists are not at all familiar
with the facts of the new cosmology and have not yet thought deeply of
the implications of "dark energy", the stuff is too new. Also, I am
privy to some general information from deep in the USG intelligence
community that most physicists are not privy to. Whether that
information is true or not is another matter. However as my own work
evolves the probability that it is true is increasing rather than
decreasing. Remember I was started on this quest 50 years ago in a
project headed by Eugene McDermott. Do some homework and find out who
he was in the scheme of things in WWII and later and who his cronies
See also "The Star Gate Conspiracy" by Picknett & Prince and
"The Cosmic Trigger" by Robert Anton Wilson as well as my book "Destiny
Matrix" and Martin Gardner's
"Magic and Paraphysics" in "Science, Good, Bad and Bogus"
Also Ron McRae's "Mind Wars" and Jim Schnabel's "Remote Viewing: The
Secret History of America's Psychic Spies"
and for broad historical background Erik Davis's "Techgnosis" which in
novel form is seen in the genre of "The Da Vinci Code" and "Foucault's
Pendulum" for example. "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" had the theme of "The
Da Vinci Code" more than 20 years ago and mentions my namesake "Solomon
ha Zarfati" AKA
Rashi de Troyes (1040 - 1105) and his relation to the Military
Commander of The First Crusade, the consequent evolution of the Knights
Templar and the alleged Priory de Sion or Zion that Carlo Suares seems
to have been a member of. See my 1975 book "Space-Time and Beyond" with
Wolf and Toben. Wolf won American Book Award in 1982 for "Taking The
Quantum Leap". Suares mentions me and Wolf in his book "The Sephira
Yetsira". See my book "Destiny Matrix" for more details.
In short whatever The Game is, there are a lot of players.
> Indeed, nothing could possibly be *more* relevant to a
> scientific theory - that is the process science uses to separate the
> from the chaff.
Vague generalities. I have specifics in my e.g.
I am all for separating the wheat from the chaff. That's exactly what I
do in my book "Space-Time and Beyond II" with the claims of Puthoff and
Haisch on the same subjects zero point energy we are talking about
here. I welcome detailed refutations etc of my specific technical
points by qualified competent people.
> "Of course, this process takes some time to operate, but a
> few years is probably enough. As I said earlier, when your 'new
> theories are written up favorably in a publication such as Nature or
> Science, then I will take them very seriously. Until that happens, my
> assumption is that they are probably not correct."
It's too bad you are not able to think critically on these matters for
yourself, but must blindly rely on the Pundits.
Mainstream physics, science in general, is ultra-conservative and
rightly so. I support that conservatism. What
you are saying is that you are irrelevant to the game. Intellectual
honesty would demand that you then say
that you have no opinion, but are sitting on the fence when it comes to
basic issues of physics in regard to
UFOs. The situation has changed dramatically in past 2 years or so.
This is the point. Now you can stick your
head in the sand and be in denial. Your choice. I welcome competent
professional rebuttal of my specifics BTW.
> "Prof. Littelton is insisting that we must naievely accept eyewitness
> claims at face value, which goes against everything that psychology has
> learned about the unreliability and malleability of human memory (as
> well as
> what we all know about the human propensity to exaggerate and
> fabricate). If
> he is right, then we must also accept accounts of witches flying on
> broomsticks and changing into animals. In any case, the fireball of
> Dec. 9,
> 1965 was amply documented by science, carefully studied, and published
> scientific journals. Just because somebody claims, with no proof
> that it zigzagged around and that MJ-12 or whoever turned up to
> it, we do not throw out a perfectly good, reasonable explanation for an
> exciting but unproven and unreasonable one. Except in the Universe of
> UFOlogy (one of the many worlds of physics, no doubt, but a peculiarly
> Robert Sheaffer - roberto@... - Skeptical to the Max!
> Visit the Debunker's Domain - http://www.debunker.com
> Resources Debunking All Manner of Bogus Claims
> Also: Skepticism / Astronomy / Opera / more
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@...>
> To: "Scott Littleton" <yokatta@...>
> Cc: "Robert Sheaffer" <roberto@...>; "Rosanne C Losee"
> <rc-losee@...>; "Richard Dolan"
> <keyhole@...>; "Don
> Ecker" <decker0726@...>
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Skeptical Inquirer's UFO debunking
Note I correct a typo below in the original.
>> My point in all of this as summarized in my semi-popular SLS talk in
>> Austin Oct 24, 2003
>> does not depend on any particular alleged UFO contact incident like
>> interesting one you describe below.
>> The probabilities have changed drastically since 1999 Type 1a
>> supernovae data that ~ 70% of all the large scale "stuff" of the
>> Universe's past light cone of our detectors is in the form of a "dark
>> energy" anti-gravity field of powerful negative pressure that began to
>> accelerate the expansion rate of the universe about half way though
>> history to now, i.e. about 7 billion years ago. This dark energy is
>> the same as Kip Thorne's "exotic matter" in his 1986 Star Gate paper
>> and it is the same stuff needed for Alcubierre's weightless warp drive
>> metric of the early 1990's and it is the same "negative matter" needed
>> for exotic propulsion that British Ministry of Defense Chief Scientist
>> Herman Bondi told us Cornell students about in ~ 1960 that Stalin's
>> physics Spy Master Y. Terletskii was also very keen on.
Now Roberto you can easily check the specifics of what I say in the
>> One need not be a rocket scientist to connect these dots! Any Gum
>> can see the pattern here. :-)
>> On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 11:04 AM, Scott Littleton wrote:
>>> "If what happened near Kecksburg, PA, on December 9, 1965, was the
>>> result of a "fireball," it was certainly a most peculiar one. I've
>>> never heard of a fireball that maneuvered, changed course, slowed
>>> down, and came in for a landing, nor one that immediately attracted
>>> the military, a tight security cordon, and mean-faced guys wearing
>>> long black overcoats who intimidated witnesses. But then it seems
>>> that anything is possible when it comes to the wacky-worldview of
>>> knee-jerk debunking. Or does your highly public take on this and
>>> other UFO-related phenomena perhaps reflect a commitment to the
>>> cynical, pseudo-patriotic, and thoroughly "black" world of
>>> Government-sponsored disinformation?"
>>> C. SCOTT LITTLETON
>>> President, Phi Beta Kappa Alumni in Southern California
>>> Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus
>>> Occidental College
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90041
>>> TEL (323) 255-5477
>>> FAX (323) 982-0264
>>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
>>> indistinguishable from magic"
>>> --Sir Arthur C. Clarke
>>> "I think we're property. . ."
>>> --Charles Fort
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 05:07 PM, rc-losee@...
> Whatever the real happenstance, it remains that the UFO phenomenon is
> patently real and substantial. Even disregarding the thousands of UFO
> witnesses worldwide who can testify to their reality, we can still
> refer to the hundreds of close encounters by UFOs on military and
> airline pilots. There is a wealth of material at hand for anyone
> truly interested. I refer here to narcap.org for a start.
> Many of these pilot encounters (not just mere sightings, but planes
> being dogged and tailed and manipulated by UFOs in close proximity)
> are backed up with radar reports. The real incident of a massive
> influx of UFOs on radar screens over DC back in the 50's is amply
> The truth is that there is plenty of real UFO data at hand. Then
> there are the thousands of UFO unclassified docs from the alphabet
> soup of gov agencies.
> The other truth is that these so-called "skeptics" are really playing
> hard and fast with the *some-all* policy (if some of the data is
> erroneous, then all of it is). As Dr. Jacques Vallee so articulately
> said, many skeptics will pick and choose among the wealth of data,
> choose one piece that is particuarly cumbersome, pounce on it,
> pontificate loudly, and use it as an shining example that all UFO data
> is worthless. A psychologist would have a field day with this.
> Yes, there is some data that needs to be re-analzyed and possibly
> omitted. Does it mean that all data is useless? .
> In the end the only useful question to ask anyone who submits a
> theory to what it could be, or not be, is rather whether they are well
> up on their UFO material. In the vast amount out there, the more one
> reads, the more one is compelled to read. Not the reverse. Ignoring
> the data might carry a real risk. RCL
Well said, balanced by I think a research librarian who has studied the