Recognition of attainment in Sangha
- Dear Bhantes,
What is the 'procedure' followed in the Sangha when a bhikkhu
attains aranthood? Do such bhikkhus just keep this to themselves
fully knowing their attainment? Or do they speak with their seniors
to make sure that they indeed have attained aranthood?
I do understand that the vinaya prohibits bhikkhus from making such
claims (false or no) to the laity.
- When a bhikkhu attains arahantahood there is no procedure, nothing to do
with the Sangha. Yes, such Bhikkhus just keep this to themselves fully
knowing their attainment in their own experience.
>From: "mogaputra" <mogaputra@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Subject: [SanghaOnline] Recognition of attainment in Sangha
>Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 00:59:17 -0000
>What is the 'procedure' followed in the Sangha when a bhikkhu
>attains aranthood? Do such bhikkhus just keep this to themselves
>fully knowing their attainment? Or do they speak with their seniors
>to make sure that they indeed have attained aranthood?
>I do understand that the vinaya prohibits bhikkhus from making such
>claims (false or no) to the laity.
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- Venerable Monks,
I request you to throw light on my
doubts from Dhamma point of view.
1. If killing animals for food is violating Sila,
what about killing plants, cutting fruits and
vegetables? Also, the animals have craving and
aversion. Is it so with vegetables and plants?
2. How does the vegetarian food favorable for the
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- 1. Killing animals, whether for food or for any other reason, is violating
Sila. Destroying plants is not violating the precept to abstain from
killing because plants have no consciousness. They have no mind, but only
matter. However, they are the abode of many living things, so one should
not destroy them without reason, or without consideration of the beings
living in dependence on them. Destroying trees and other large plants has
serious consequences for the micro-climate since they offer shade, retain
ground water, and prevent soil erosion.
2. Vegetarian food is generally cheaper, easier to prepare, lighter to
digest, and healthier for one's body. As such, it will help one's
meditation practice provided it contains sufficient protein and minerals.
A proper vegetarian diet is not just regular food without meat. One eats
for the sake of health and nutrition. A small amount of meat and/or fish
will not harm one's meditation practice - it will help if it properly
prepared and part of a well-balanced diet. Vegetarians and especially
vegans need to take great care to avoid becoming malnourished. Meat-eaters
need to take great care not to take too much fat and cholesterol.
- Dear Ven.Monks,
I am thankful to you all for your
quick and prompt answers,direct to the point,enhancing
Ven.Sirs, sometime back,out of my
curiosity for future I went to astrologers. This is a
type of astrology practice in India that they take our
thumb impressions and search from a bunch of palm
leaves corresponding to our finger impressions.If they
get our leave,then they read what was written in that
palm leave regarding our past, present and future main
incidents. This is called Nadi Astrology.
Honestly, some of past incidents were
matched. Also this birth chart and planetary positions
at my birth time matches my chart prepared by
calculations with time,date and place of birth. He
predicted accidents, debts, mental suffering and also
vehicles, houses and children.
These preditions did not make me so
unbalance in my mind as I am practising Vipassana and
Dhamma to my best. They said to escape adverse
effects, I have to pay huge amounts and they perform
rites and rituals. I firmly rejected and dropped.
But one of his predictions is still
creating ripples in my mind. That is: at the age of 46
I'll earn money by illegal means.(Now I am 31) What
illegal? Not clearly explained, might be bribing,
corruption. It means I'll violate the right livilihood
in the Noble Eightfold path. I was so angry on him
with this prediction. Then he suggested me that the
illegal money can be given as dana if I am not
interested in that. Moral fear is arising in me that
I�ll become corrupt and how to avert it? What
circumstances drive me to those miserable situations?
How can I avert such conditions? Such thoughts are
troubling me often, disturbing my balance. Is the
wealth acquired by illegal means fit for dana? Don�t
we have the will power or the ability to choose our
livelihood in Dhamma way? If not poverty can be
happily accepted rather than accepting wrong ways of
So far I am working with a govt.dept. Keeping the
above in mind I�ll try to change my job where there is
no tiny possibility for illegal earnings and not
engaging in any wing where there is possibility of
Am I right sirs? What measures do I take for the
above from Dhamma point of view assuming the
prediction might be correct...plz throw light...
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- The only one doing any illegal earning here seems to be the astrologer.
Don't worry about it at all. Avoid such people, they are rogues.
If you wish to know the right way to gain future happiness, study the
Dhamma, especially such suttas as the Mangala Sutta, which the Buddha
preached to a deity when questioned about auspicious signs.
Astrology is not allowable for bhikkhus to practice, but I will make a
prediction for you. You will get old, get sick, and die one day. At least
the last of these is unavoidable. Therefore, while you are young, healthy,
and still living, try to learn and practice the Noble Dhamma of the Buddha
as much as possible.
Maintain your five precepts and honest livelihood whatever the cost. If
you are not greedy for sensual pleasures, you won't be easily tempted by
bribes, whatever your occupation is.
Illegal earning can be donated, but the benefits are mixed. In the future
lives one may be blessed with great wealth, but that wealth will be
vulnerable to loss from thieves, taxation, or other losses. If one donates
without any such blemish, one acquires wealth, and no one can take it