## Samyojanas

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• Venerable Bhantes, There are two sets of Sa.myojanas: one according to the Suttas and the other according to the Abhidhamma. Suttanta Method: A nguttara
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Venerable Bhantes,

There are two sets of Sa.myojanas: one according to the Suttas and the other according to the Abhidhamma.

Suttanta Method:

A"nguttara Nikaaya, Dasakanipaatapaa.li, 2. Naathavaggo, 3. Sa.myojanasutta.m

13. "Dasayimaani, bhikkhave, sa.myojanaani. Katamaani dasa? Pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani, pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani. Katamaani pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani? (1) Sakkaayadi.t.thi, (2) vicikicchaa, (3) siilabbataparaamaaso, (4) kaamacchando, (5) byaapaado. Imaani pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani.

"Katamaani pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani? (6) Ruuparaago, (7) aruuparaago, (8) maano, (9) uddhacca.m, (10) avijjaa. Imaani pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani. Imaani kho, bhikkhave, dasa sa.myojanaanii"ti.

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Abhidhamma Method:

Dhammasa"nganiipaa.li, 3. Nikkhepaka.n.da.m, Sa.myojanagocchaka.m

1118. Katame dhammaa sa.myojanaa? Dasa sa.myojanaani: (1) kaamaraagasa.myojana.m, (2) pa.tighasa.myojana.m,(3) maanasa.myojana.m, (4) di.t.thisa.myojana.m, (5) vicikicchaasa.myojana.m, (6) siilabbataparaamaasasa.myojana.m, (7) bhavaraagasa.myojana.m, (8) issaasa.myojana.m, (9) macchariyasa.myojana.m, (10) avijjaasa.myojana.m.
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Vibha"ngapaa.li, 17. Khuddakavatthuvibha"ngo, 10. Dasakaniddeso, (4) Dasa sa.myojanaani

969. Tattha katamaani dasa sa.myojanaani? (1) Kaamaraagasa.myojana.m, (2) pa.tighasa.myojana.m , (3) maanasa.myojana.m, (4) di.t.thisa.myojana.m, (5) vicikicchaasa.myojana.m, (6) siilabbataparaamaasasa.myojana.m, (7) bhavaraagasa.myojana.m, (8) issaasa.myojana.m, (9) macchariyasa.myojana.m, (10) avijjaasa.myojana.m. Imaani dasa sa.myojanaani.

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Now, there must be a very good reason for including issaa-sa.myojana and macchariya-sa.myojana in the list in Abhidhamma although they are not listed in suttas. I will be grateful to know that reason.

Secondly, although they are listed in number 8th and 9th positions, I assume that they can be eradicated by anaagaami-magga. Is my assumption correct?

Thank you very much.

Respectfully,
Dr Han Tun
• Dear Venerables Sirs, like Dr. Han Tun I stumbled upon the difference between the squence of Samyojana as stated in the Suttas and the version of Abhidhamma. I
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Dear Venerables Sirs,

like Dr. Han Tun I stumbled upon the difference between the squence of Samyojana as stated in the Suttas and the version of Abhidhamma.
I  would appreciate if you could help with an explanation respectively refer to a link the question may be addressed to.

The different definition of the 10 fetters in the Suttas and Abhidhamma according to Venerable  Nyanatiloka's Buddhist Dictionary :

(A.IX.67-68; A.X.13; D.33, etc.)
• (1) personality-belief (sakkāya-ditthi)
• (2) sceptical doubt (vicikicchā)
• (3) clinging to mere rules and ritual (sīlabbata-parāmāsa; s. upādāna)
• (4) sensuous craving (kāma-rāga)
• (5) ill-will (vyāpāda)
• (6) craving for fine-material existence (rūpa-rāga)
• (7) craving for immaterial existence (arūpa-rāga)
• (8) conceit (māna)
• (9) restlessness (uddhacca)
• (10) ignorance (avijjā)

The 10 fetters as enumerated in the Abhidhamma, e.g. Vibh. XVII, are:

1. sensuous craving,
2. ill-will,
3. conceit,
4. wrong views,
5. sceptical doubt,
6. clinging to mere rules and ritual,
7. craving for existence,
8. envy,
9. stinginess,
10. ignorance.
unquote

I assume that the sequence of both versions  refer to Ariya Puggala , the different types of the Noble Ones , which-I.M.H.O.- excludes different schemes .

with Metta Dieter

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From: han tun
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Subject: [SanghaOnline] Samyojanas

Venerable Bhantes,

There are two sets of Sa.myojanas: one according to the Suttas and the other according to the Abhidhamma.

Suttanta Method:

A"nguttara Nikaaya, Dasakanipaatapaa.li, 2. Naathavaggo, 3. Sa.myojanasutta.m

13. "Dasayimaani, bhikkhave, sa.myojanaani. Katamaani dasa? Pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani, pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani. Katamaani pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani? (1) Sakkaayadi.t.thi, (2) vicikicchaa, (3) siilabbataparaamaaso, (4) kaamacchando, (5) byaapaado. Imaani pa~ncorambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani.

"Katamaani pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani? (6) Ruuparaago, (7) aruuparaago, (8) maano, (9) uddhacca.m, (10) avijjaa. Imaani pa~ncuddhambhaagiyaani sa.myojanaani. Imaani kho, bhikkhave, dasa sa.myojanaanii"ti.

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Abhidhamma Method:

Dhammasa"nganiipaa.li, 3. Nikkhepaka.n.da.m, Sa.myojanagocchaka.m

1118. Katame dhammaa sa.myojanaa? Dasa sa.myojanaani: (1) kaamaraagasa.myojana.m, (2) pa.tighasa.myojana.m,(3) maanasa.myojana.m, (4) di.t.thisa.myojana.m, (5) vicikicchaasa.myojana.m, (6) siilabbataparaamaasasa.myojana.m, (7) bhavaraagasa.myojana.m, (8) issaasa.myojana.m, (9) macchariyasa.myojana.m, (10) avijjaasa.myojana.m.
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Vibha"ngapaa.li, 17. Khuddakavatthuvibha"ngo, 10. Dasakaniddeso, (4) Dasa sa.myojanaani

969. Tattha katamaani dasa sa.myojanaani? (1) Kaamaraagasa.myojana.m, (2) pa.tighasa.myojana.m , (3) maanasa.myojana.m, (4) di.t.thisa.myojana.m, (5) vicikicchaasa.myojana.m, (6) siilabbataparaamaasasa.myojana.m, (7) bhavaraagasa.myojana.m, (8) issaasa.myojana.m, (9) macchariyasa.myojana.m, (10) avijjaasa.myojana.m. Imaani dasa sa.myojanaani.

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Now, there must be a very good reason for including issaa-sa.myojana and macchariya-sa.myojana in the list in Abhidhamma although they are not listed in suttas. I will be grateful to know that reason.

Secondly, although they are listed in number 8th and 9th positions, I assume that they can be eradicated by anaagaami-magga. Is my assumption correct?

Thank you very much.

Respectfully,
Dr Han Tun

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