Re: [SabreSailboat] MFD/chartplotter advice
- Thanx Allison, that's the kind of user information that I was looking for. I think that the touchscreen plotters also allow the use of buttons/joystick for controls...but I'd have to double-check that capability.ben kaufman, CARACOL (S36 #52)
--- On Fri, 6/1/12, Allison Lehman <allison@...> wrote:
From: Allison Lehman <allison@...>
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] MFD/chartplotter advice
Date: Friday, June 1, 2012, 8:44 PMBen,I use a lot if different instruments on different boats when I sea trial. I think the Garmin is easier to learn/use but the compatibility is a very important thing. We did a delivery from Seattle to SF and had a large Garmin touchscreen at the helm. Didn't like that as every time the boat lurched and your hand was near the screen the screen would change. Personally I prefer buttons. I love my touch screen iPad and iPhone but not in an instrument on the water, too much movement. Both have pretty good visibility in daylight, big improvement over the old RL70CRCs, yes I used to have that too. As for mounting it I mounted mine on the house under the dodger and LOVE IT! everyone can see it, I can stand in the companionway and run everything, yes even the AP runs through my Raymarine C80. SO thats my two cents worth.AllisonOn Jun 1, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Bennett Kaufman wrote:I hate to have t hijack my own thread, but it's come to that. While I appreciate all the comments about compatibilities, what goodies you have on your boat, upgrade options, N2K and 0183, etc., etc., etc. etc., the main points of my first e-mail query seem to have gotten lost. What I asked was simple (I thought)--I am trying to decide whether to get a Garmin or a Raymarine for a chartplotter/radar combo to replace my ancient outdated RAYTHEON RL70CRC w/pathfinder radar (both of which still work fine, BTW).What I was asking about was if anyone had either the Garmin 740 system or the Raymarine C90W system, could they comment on:daylight visibility of the screenease of use (are the touch-screen icons a pain in a seaway or for folks with fat fingers?)general ergonomicsproblems in operation (if any)ease of installation, including how to mount the MFD at the binnacleIn other words, things that are NOT on the specifications list, but what each unit is like to USE. One can't get that info playing with the demo unit in a store. I know there are lots of you who have one or the other of the units, and that's the kind of info I'd like to get from real-life users. Thanx againben kaufman, CARACOL (S 36 #52)
- OFF TOPIC- but an interesting aside for touch screens
Eveytime I hear about touch screens the following comes to mind.
The City of San Diego built a new sludge plant a few years back for handling sewage solids. At the end of the line the processed material was pumped into very large bins under which semi-trucks would be placed for loading from gates operated by, you guessed it, TOUCH SCREENS. When leaks developed in the system, sludge would sometimes be released way up high which would drip down on the screens. One day when this happened, one of the maintainence guys assigned to cleaning up the building (that should tell you something about how high up the management ladder he had climbed) noticed the slop on the screens and promply wiped it off. This immediately caused several truck loads of what used to be "crap" to fill up the empty truck bay below. Now the rest of the staff was called and they spent the day using an end-loader to clean up the mess!
Oh, and I believe a Change Order was given to the contractor to build a roof over the control screens. It seems the engineers were not too bright either when it came to anticipating what is possible with a city maintainence worker!
Jan (former construction manager- retired) S38 MkI
--- In Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com, Jim Starkey <jstarkey@...> wrote:
> For what it is worth, the touch screen controls on Raymarine are backed
> up with physical buttons. In slop, you can disable the touch screen
> altogether. In any case, autopilot functions must be performed with
> physical buttons.
> On Garmin MFDs, it either all touch screen or all physical buttons based
> on the model.
> Somebody at Raymarine thought this through.
> I wouldn't worry about GPS interference. Given the absurd number of GPS
> receives we walk around with, if there was a problem, you wouldn't have
> found your restaurant for dinner.
> I have a GPS in a Droid-X, one on my iPad, one in my Prius, one in my
> wife's iPhone, a fix and a portable in N28434, a fixed on my rail,
> another in a Garmin portable at the helm. And two Bluetooth GPSs in
> case I need them. This is crazy! It is simple impossible to get lost.
> On 6/3/2012 8:48 PM, Bennett Kaufman wrote:
> > Thanx for your comments. The touchscreen vs. buttons issue is moot,
> > since I was considering the C90, not the E90; the C90 does not have a
> > touchscreen. I do have a Raystar 125, and can hook that up to the
> > Raymarine, if I get that. Actually, I WAS wondering if putting a
> > chartplotter with an internal GPS antenna, like the C90 or the Garmin,
> > into a pod would interfere with reception of the GPS signals.
> > ben kaufman, CARACOL
> > --- On *Sat, 6/2/12, rayjanine2002 /<rayjanine@...>/* wrote:
> > From: rayjanine2002 <rayjanine@...>
> > Subject: [SabreSailboat] Re: MFD/chartplotter advice
> > To: Sabresailboat@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 9:58 PM
> > Hi Ben:
> > I have a Raymarine E90W Chartplotter, Raymarine Raystar 125 Plus,
> > and a Raymarine digital radar 18" radome RD418HD 4KW. To answer
> > some of your questions:
> > daylight visibility of the screen - excellent even with Polarized
> > SunGlasses. The view from the side is also excellent. It is
> > mounted on my pedestal near my wheel and I would not want to put
> > it anywhere else. During rough weather it was perfect to have it
> > there.
> > ease of use (are the touch-screen icons a pain in a seaway or for
> > folks with fat fingers?) The touch-screen is excellent and much
> > better than using the buttons. This unit has both. I was in 13 ft
> > seas and still used the touch-screen since you can zoom in on
> > objects so when you touch the screen my fat fingers hit the
> > targets I want them to hit.
> > general ergonomics - excellent. Setting a MOB point is a breeze
> > and also entering waypoints. You can also change the view of the
> > screen really easily from 2D to 3D and also from heading up to
> > course up.
> > problems in operation (if any)- None so far.
> > ease of installation, including how to mount the MFD at the
> > binnacle. I bought a Navpod GP5052 pre cut for a C90W that worked
> > really well for my E90W. The cost was $316.90. It installed fairly
> > easily. I also replaced my pedestal using an Edson Pedestal Guard
> > Kit 1620-45-58A so the wiring from the chartplotter to the radar
> > and other electronics was easy.
> > Please note that I have a Sabre 362 so your installation and cable
> > running from the pedestal to the rest of your boat may not be the
> > same.
> > Take care and good luck on your decision.
> > Ray
> > Second Wind
> > 1993 Sabre 362