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Re: [FlaBirding] Fwd: [BRDBRAIN] St. Petersburg CBC question

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  • Jeff Bouton
    Dave and all, Regarding your question why haven t they expanded inland?.... These birds don t seem to be utilizing native habitats as much as artificial
    Message 1 of 1 , Dec 26, 2011
      Dave and all,

      Regarding your question 'why haven't they expanded inland?....' These birds don't seem to be utilizing native habitats as much as artificial habitats created by developers planting various palms and other tropical plantings. The vast majority of the state away from the coast seems to consist of Oak Hammocks, Cypress swamp, remnants of native prairie, or more likely a mix of the above with pasture lands. Given this, I don't think you should ever expect to see Black-hoodeds inland as they don't utilize they habitats even where large concentrations exist. 

      Despite what is happening in Pinellas county, the bird is indeed expanding greatly particularly along the east coast where they seem to occur along the entire coastline in proper habitat from St. Augustine all the way through the central Keys (perhaps more). I now in my experience I've seen them in proper habitats all along the East coast everywhere. I fully expect this species in proper habitats here on any day of birding. I understand the resistance by committees to call something established because if it crashes they are worried their reputations will be tarnished. However, it's unfortunate that much of the committee is making decisions based on inaccurate data or their personal recollections from trips decades ago.


      Jeff Bouton
      Port Charlotte, FL

      From: "efalconh@..." <efalconh@...>
      To: FlaBirding@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 AM
      Subject: [FlaBirding] Fwd: [BRDBRAIN] St. Petersburg CBC question


      -----Original Message-----
      From: Dave Goodwin <dave.goodwin@...>
      Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 10:03 am
      Subject: Re: [BRDBRAIN] St. Petersburg CBC question

      Hi Chester,

      As the first person to ever report a Black-hooded Parakeet in the wild (St. Petersburg, 1969), I have waited longer than anyone to gain this bird on my life list. The reason the ABA has not accepted the species as an established exotic is simply that #1 - the range of the population center along the Florida west coast has not expanded much in over 40 years, and #2 in recent years the numbers have seemed to be in a steady decline. When the bird came up for consideration a few years ago it lost by one vote (2 people voted no - one more than the limit).
      Regarding sightings outside of the population center, there have been other small "colonies" in various locations around the state. I have seen the birds in Key West and Miami as well as Titusville. To my knowledge, the colony in Titusville disappeared by the late 70's - early 80's. I am not sure of the numbers involved in Miami, Key Largo, or Key West.
      The numbers of Black-hooded Parakeets have declined the past few years on the St. Pete CBC (the heart of the population) until this year which saw a rebound in numbers. The 836 seen in 2007 dropped to less than 200 last year. Why? One possibility is this: BHPA are cavity nesters - the population will always be limited by available nesting sites. A large group living in Isla Del Sol (on the way to Ft. DeSoto Park) disappeared after the residents complained about the "noise" and the dead palms used by the parrots were removed. The rebound in numbers actually poses the question - where are all these birds nesting???? I would suggest that the ABA Checklist Committee does not wish a repeat of the population crash of the Budgerigar - I saw a roost of thousands of Budgies in St. Pete in the 1970's. Now we get excited about finding 30 in Hernando Beach! I would also point out that the numbers of Monk Parakeets is on a decline as well since the power companies are destroying the Monk nests in the power substations.
      This year, despite looking for years, I saw my first Black-hooded Parakeets in Hillsborough County, just a few miles east of the population center. Why have they not expanded inland even 20 miles? Unknown - maybe once again lack of nesting sites. Hopefully data from the upcoming Florida Breeding Bird Atlas II will give us a better handle on the range of the birds.
      Sooner or later the ABA will readdress the status of the parrot. Remember, the only thing you can't "count" the parrot on is your published list in ABA. It's your life list and what's on it is your business. You play by the ABA rules only if you want your list totals published.

      Dave Goodwin
      Brandon FL

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Chester John Blazak <chetblazak@...>
      Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 4:12 am
      Subject: [BRDBRAIN] St. Petersburg CBC question

      In reviewing the full listing I noted that Black-hooded parakeet was the

      number one bird in terms of numbers (435!) does anyone know why the ABA

      doesn't recognize this beautiful bird as established? I have viewed it on Key

      Largo, Miami as well...(been around since the 70's and apparently is


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