- Christian - Muslim Debate in 12th Century ����� Part 10 of 20 Moslem: Woe unto you! We contest what you make God, a child, and the Christ is God�����s Son, andMessage 1 of 3350 , Nov 28, 2006View SourceChristian - Muslim Debate in 12th Century � Part 10 of 20
Moslem: Woe unto you! We contest what you make God, a child, and the Christ is God�s Son, and that he is the Eternal God and Creator of the creatures while he is human and was born from a woman. God considers him like Adam to whom he said, "Be" and he created him.
Monk: So ABU-SALAMAH, you believe in all what your Prophet mentioned in your book. That book was inspired by God?
Moslem: Yes, everything mentioned in the Koran was inspired to Mohammed.
Monk: Didn�t the Koran didn�t mention that Christ is the Spirit of God and his Word given by God to Mary?
Moslem: Not the eternal Word but the created Word.
Monk: Was God at any time dumb, deaf, or empty of any word or spirit?
Moslem: God forbid! God, his Word and Spirit are always present.
Monk: Is God�s Word Creator or created?
Monk: You worship the God above in his Spirit and Word don�t you?
Moslem: I adore God, his Word and his Spirit.
Monk: Say now then, "I believe in God, in his Spirit, and in his Word."
Moslem: I believe in God, in his Spirit, and in his Word. But I do not make them three but one God.
Monk: This is my opinion too and my beliefs and those of all Christians of Orthodox faith. I like now to explain the meanings of the Holy Trinity: the father is God, the Son is his Word, and the third is the Holy Spirit.
The Prince was lying down. He then stood up and glanced at the Moslem and laughed and told him, "ABU-SALAMAH, the Monk has Christianized you and introduced you to the Christian religion. You are a Christian."
ABU-SALAMAH was furious. There was a judge named FADL-AL-HALABI, who told his friends, "If you had permitted me from the beginning to have a debate with the Monk I would have defeated him. Afterwards he looked at the Prince and said, "Be informed, O Prince, that the non-believers are in hellfire and whoever approaches them burns himself, and Satan, the spirit of tyranny, speaks through their mouths.
- Dear Sir, Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration. (1) Yes,Message 3350 of 3350 , Mar 8 9:35 PMView SourceDear Sir,Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration.(1) Yes, It is noticed that the calendar is made by Samajam, but let me reiterate its a Church Calendar. I had pointed out this to Mr. Daniel, who made this a year back, but unfortunately I got the reply that this is to be used for Saudi Arabia. I don't think any one in Saudi Arabia use Church Calendar in their offices. Further, if its for Saudi Arabia, that shpuld be with Samajam members and wellwishers, it should not appear in jacobite online's website. Am I making sense?(2) Even our local church calendar in Kerala often makes this mistakes, as they put these dates in Calendars, I believe. How can we justify that, if so.(3) Communal harmony is well and good, but that should not get in to a level which dilutes the basic faith (when I say faith means, its Christian Faith, not church/ community) we adhere to.As a person, I'm so weak and cannot take it to higher hierarchy, but you can.Once again thanks for your reply and I hope my points are clear to you now.RegardsShibu MATHEWID number is 4595
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Shibu Mathew <shibmat@...> wrote:Hello,
It has been noticed for the past couple of years hat the Church Calendar highlights the 'Hijra' dates along with the Gregorian date. Basically there is nothing harmful in first shot, but there is a damage behind that.Hijra year is basically the year Muslims calculate as the year when they received Quran to them. My question, Are we Christians accept and acknowledge the same?St. Pauls says to Galatians 1: 9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."Keeping this in mind; how do we highlight Hijri year? Let normal calendar carry it for business reasons, but Church Calendar shall not...Please express yourself with comments....Rgds
Shibu MATHEWID number is 4595---------------------From the desk of moderatorsThis calender was prepared and distributed by our congregation (SAMJAM) in Saudi Arabia. For their own reasons they included the "Hijra" dates.