- Christian - Muslim Debate in 12th Century ����� Part 9 of 20 Prince: Quite right! Monk: If Mohammed knew that you were on the right way, he wouldn�����t orderMessage 1 of 3350 , Nov 28, 2006View SourceChristian - Muslim Debate in 12th Century � Part 9 of 20
Prince: Quite right!
Monk: If Mohammed knew that you were on the right way, he wouldn�t order you to request from God the guidance and maturity. Besides, knowing that God does not accept his prayer, he commanded you to pray for him, and told you, "You believers, pray for me and grant me salvation."
Moslem: Don�t you know that God and the angels pray for Mohammed. Thus, don�t we have to pray for him too?
Monk: You should pray, preferably, for yourself and ask pardon for yourself; not to live like one who is hungry and asks food from others, or like one who suffers from an injury and asks for medicine from somebody else. So if you with God and his angels pray for Mohammed who will accept your prayers? If this is your opinion, you make God equal with mankind.
Moslem: The prayer of God is a grace according to his worshipers.
Monk: Who has benefited from the grace of God and his angels don�t need your prayers? You better pray for yourselves.
Moslem: Don�t you Christians pray on your Christ?
Monk: Absolutely! We pray to him because he is our God and Creator and he accepts the prayer of his servants if they do, and he forgives their sins.
Moslem: What an evident blasphemy and horrible idea. You worship a created man born from a woman, who suffered shamefully. That is what you confess. And you, O Monk, do not deny that? You mock with insolence our Prophet Mohammed the Chosen.
Monk: On my life, we do not bring anything from ourselves but from your book and your Koran. Don�t you confess that Mohammed was a Bedouin and from Korish?
Monk: Don�t you know that he had many women, some against dowry, and some concubines. Don�t you agree that he was so passionate towards women that he used the sword to kill those who did not obey him and that he took Zeid�s wife?
Moslem: Yes that was God�s command because God inspired him to do so.
Monk: Don�t you confess that he died and was buried with thirty of his family members with him under the soil? We mention only a few of the attributes of your Prophet, those, which you admitted. So why do you contest it?
- Dear Sir, Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration. (1) Yes,Message 3350 of 3350 , Mar 8 9:35 PMView SourceDear Sir,Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration.(1) Yes, It is noticed that the calendar is made by Samajam, but let me reiterate its a Church Calendar. I had pointed out this to Mr. Daniel, who made this a year back, but unfortunately I got the reply that this is to be used for Saudi Arabia. I don't think any one in Saudi Arabia use Church Calendar in their offices. Further, if its for Saudi Arabia, that shpuld be with Samajam members and wellwishers, it should not appear in jacobite online's website. Am I making sense?(2) Even our local church calendar in Kerala often makes this mistakes, as they put these dates in Calendars, I believe. How can we justify that, if so.(3) Communal harmony is well and good, but that should not get in to a level which dilutes the basic faith (when I say faith means, its Christian Faith, not church/ community) we adhere to.As a person, I'm so weak and cannot take it to higher hierarchy, but you can.Once again thanks for your reply and I hope my points are clear to you now.RegardsShibu MATHEWID number is 4595
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Shibu Mathew <shibmat@...> wrote:Hello,
It has been noticed for the past couple of years hat the Church Calendar highlights the 'Hijra' dates along with the Gregorian date. Basically there is nothing harmful in first shot, but there is a damage behind that.Hijra year is basically the year Muslims calculate as the year when they received Quran to them. My question, Are we Christians accept and acknowledge the same?St. Pauls says to Galatians 1: 9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."Keeping this in mind; how do we highlight Hijri year? Let normal calendar carry it for business reasons, but Church Calendar shall not...Please express yourself with comments....Rgds
Shibu MATHEWID number is 4595---------------------From the desk of moderatorsThis calender was prepared and distributed by our congregation (SAMJAM) in Saudi Arabia. For their own reasons they included the "Hijra" dates.