Re: [SOCM-FORUM] P C Alexander's & Babu Paul's nominations
WASNT ST PETER JUST A FISHERMAN OR FOR THAT MATTER MOST OF JESUS DISCIPLES ????
WE MAY NOT HAVE MANY INTELLECTUALS LIKE THE METRAN KAKSHIS� ...BUT WE HAVE INHERITED THE TRUE FAITH FROM OUR FORE FATHERS
THAT� IS OUR BIRTH RIGHT WHICH WE DEFEND� UPTO OUR LAST BREATH
� "Thomas V.M"@... wrote:
What Babu Paul forgot is Jesus did not select his
followers from PhD's...
- 8 June
To Kuriakose George
The real cause of the deterioration of the traditions of our beloved church is
Malayala Manorama and its associates. They ruined this church. They started
using politicians for the benefit of the methran kakshi. and patriarchal faction
reciprocated. Their actual intention was business improvement. For that they
sided with methran kakshi. How much political pressure was exerted by these
henious people to win the 1958 case is well known to everybody. The holy
spirit is not prevailing in this church only because of the outside political
and legal people's pressure on both sides. Unfortunately leaderships on both
sides do not understand this.
"kuriakose george" wrote:
> Dear All,
> I read recent posting on this forum about Indian Presidential nomination
> (whether PCA, BP, Narayanan, Fr Kallapara etc). I have fully convinced
> that I am not at all wrong in my opinion about US ( the great traditional
> MALANKARA SYRIAN CHRISTIANS whether it is orthodox/Jacobite).
- 8 June
��� I� cannot� agree with you.�� Patriarchal faction alone cannot� be blamed.� The methran kakshi leadership is also� equally responsible for loosing christian spirit in the church.��� Can� you justify the parumala meeting ?� Is� it convened properly� ?�� People loose� their mind when they are totally ignored.
"Fr. John Kunjukunju" wrote:
My intention here is only to say Dr Babu Paul, well done. If people with
sense makes their voice, though there will be problems, things will change
in the long run. Behind every change there is someone made scapegoat.
My honest opinion is that present patriarchal faction is the only faction
who completely lost the Christian spirit....
- dear Babu Paul,I thank you for finding time to reply.but its still
frustrating that you keep people guessing regarding your real
intentions.you claim you are still close to the Patriarch but yet
your grouse is against the "church leadership".you claim you are
still a loyal servant of the church but then wer'ent you
hobnobbing with the 3 disgraced bishops who were suspended by the
Patriarch himself.you say that the
catholicos of the methran faction personally desires peace.what
have you got to say of the
catholicos' tacit compliance with the rabid elements of that
treacherous faction who attempt to close our churches.don't you
think God will support us against them in this fight?you criticise
the actions of the church leadership.what's wrong with them.we
have made our position very clear.we do not want any of their
properties.why don't they allow us to live in peace?we follow the
same approach,Abraham followed against Lot.is it
un-christianly?and when we oppose attempts of certain newspaper
mafia to elevate P.C.Alexander to the presidency,why should you be
worried?.his actions all throughout his supposedly distinguished
career has been akin to hunting with the hound and running with
the hare.and since they are old habits they will die hard.surely
we cannot sign our own death warrant.(its preferable to die after
5 years than sooner).
On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 "DANIEL
BABU PAUL" wrote :
>yesterday i was in a hurry.
>Reg Kaniamparampil Achan's "experiments with truth" you can ask
>him; I don't
>think he would mind. alternatively you can ask Corepiscopa PP
In the last email you tried to preach that since we are all Christians , we must forgive and only that is Christian.� I too agree with that, but let me ask why you are not yet ready to repent for calling Kallapara Achen just as Kallapara, even after many in this forum mentioned that.� Now it is your duty to do what you try to preach others.� The personal egos with Kallapara family may have prompted you to criticize the Achen, but now is the ideal time to repent yourself for mentioning the priest as just "Kallapara".� But if you are not ready to correct that, then how could you advise others to follow.
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- Dear ALL,
Today's world is small due to better communication and trans port. Something
happens any corner of the world it is known to every one through media.
Hence things come to light very fast. People view things and criticize
actions. Pope/bishops no one is exempted. This quarrel and fights were there
always among men.
Roman church persecuted all other Christians for power and
number(popularity). They have forcibly taken our people in India,to their
fold. Same thing they have done
all over the world. But that does not mean there any faithful among them.
There would have been silent, insignificant Gods children among them,who
will inherit heaven.
Why, fight was among the first line of Christ's disciple's .We cannot be
more informed about Christ words and actions than them. We cannot be holier
(Even though we have holier people to whom saint hood awarded as Oscars).
The bishops who came from Syria it took 3-4 years to reach India.Enroute
many died and killed. They were driven and guided by Christian spirit.
Today orthodox people say they came for money.They can not understand any
thing more than money.They are the people who occupy
Church property.They drive God,to court.
Even today our tradition is same and a vast majority of the people live in
the same tradition and devotion. We can see them in our churches
We can see the shine on faces, through Holy Communion they are part of
Christ body, they are Gods children. They are the real Christians.
Dear Kuruvilla do not get disheartened by the who fight, have an eye on
position and ditch each other and say all this
is for Gods sake,prompted by Holy Ghost.Try to emulate the real Gods
From: "kuriakose george"@... [mailto:"kuriakose
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: [SOCM-FORUM] CHURCH AND POLITICS
I read recent posting on this forum about Indian Presidential nomination
(whether PCA, BP, Narayanan, Fr Kallapara etc). I have fully convinced
that I am not at all wrong in my opinion about US ( the great traditional
MALANKARA SYRIAN CHRISTIANS whether it is orthodox/Jacobite)..
- A few days back i have read a mail by Babu Paul calling
Fr.Kallappara Achen "as Kallapara, a village priest with
SSLC & TTC".
I am very sad that a person of such a great knowledge like
Babu Paul, who himself claims, "My postings are , have always
been, in the hands of God; that is why even today 2 years
after retirement I am being used by God." (Posting in SOCM
forum dated, Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:17:41 +0530, write articles
like this. I don't know whether God has given him special
permission to post articles like this in an Internet forum.
May be he responded so cheaply because of his human nature.
Anyhow it will good to read what this Kallapara Achen
(SSLC & TTC in the words of Babu Paul IAS)wrote about Babu Paul
in the book "Keralathile kraisthava Sabakal, Oru Padanam"
(Page 17) published in 1994 by Achen himself. In this book
Kallappara Achen had only praised this Babu Paul IAS
(in a special section).
Now compare the languages & the standards of Babu Paul who
termed Kallapara Achen as a village priest with SSLC & TTC,
with that of the Kallapara Achen who termed Babu Paul as a
great person in that book.
Who is of high standard ? Is that the Babu Paul who have
tons of degrees but using indecent languages to criticize others
and thereby expressing his unwillingness to accept the general
feelings of the common man --- OR ---- is that this
village Priest (in Babu Paul IASs words) who termed this
Babu Paul as a great person ?
Dear Babu Paul Sir, it will be good if you use words wisely,
remember once said it couldnt be taken back unless he is a
- Thank you. Pray for me.
TOTUS TUUS MARIA
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fr. John Kunjukunju>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [SOCM-FORUM] P C Alexander's nomination for Presidency
> My intention here is only to say Dr Babu Paul, well done. If people with
> sense makes their voice, though there will be problems, things will change
> in the long run. Behind every change there is someone made scapegoat.
> My honest opinion is that present patriarchal faction is the only faction
> who completely lost the Christian spirit.
> One open word against the system is enough to ruin the whole thing. It
> rich dividents to me for airing certain frank opinions.
> This is less than a cult. We can only pray. Fr John KK.
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- I strongly feel that , we should not have discussed
the topic in this forum.
--- "DANIEL BABU PAUL"@... wrote:
> yesterday i was in a hurry.
> Reg Kaniamparampil Achan's "experiments with truth"
> you can ask him; I don't
> think he would mind. alternatively you can ask
> Corepiscopa PP Joseph,
> Kottayam. I do not know the exact years,
> Pulickaparampil Achan may remember.