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  • dooley1112
    Dear Brother Kuriakose, I fully agree with you! And that is perhaps the most logical opinion and statement I have ever heard in this Forum! Love & Prayers,
    Message 1 of 6 , May 21 9:01 AM
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      Dear Brother Kuriakose,

      I fully agree with you! And that is perhaps the most logical opinion
      and statement I have ever heard in this Forum!

      Love & Prayers,
      Dennis
    • mfignatius
      ... Hi Thomas, By Oriental Orthodox, I mean those non-Chalcedonian rites which share communion with one another. That is to say, the canonical OO-- Syrian,
      Message 2 of 6 , May 21 7:40 PM
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        --- In SOCM-FORUM@y..., "thomas_pa1" wrote:
        > What do you mean by exiting the Oriental Orthodox community?
        > What is your definition of OO community?
        >
        > Thomas

        Hi Thomas,

        By Oriental Orthodox, I mean those non-Chalcedonian rites which share
        communion with one another. That is to say, the canonical OO--
        Syrian, Coptic, Armenian etc.

        By exiting this, I'm referring to the canonical shared communion, I
        wasn't implying that they became Muslims or Pentacostals or anything.

        bMeshiHo,
        Mike
      • PAUL POTHEN
        Dear all, I agree with what Kuriakose George said here in this forum. Many are trying to divide the Church for personal gains. They are doing this for want
        Message 3 of 6 , May 21 9:35 PM
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          Dear all,

          I agree with what Kuriakose George said here in this forum.� �Many are trying to divide the Church for personal gains.�� They are doing this for want of money & power.This is the case of most of the clergy (not to mention of laity) including those who hold high positions.�� Let me recall one incidence. I belong to the Puthenagady area of Kottayam.Two years back during the perunnal of Kurissu Palli (a famous church), the present Catholicos Baselios Marthoma Mathews II was the chief celebrant and the timing was fixed at 8.30 AM.��� Most reached the church at 9.00 AM (as it is our nature to come very late in Qurbana), but to the surprise of all, by that time the Services were completed and the Catholicos was about to leave for Trivandrum to attend a marriage of a very famous & rich person�s son. It was for attending this marriage, Catholicos Marthoma Mathews II started Qurbana at 7.55 AM, even changing the usual schedule of the Qurbana.ie; 35 minutes earlier than the scheduled time.

          Catholicos has to reach the Church at Trivandrum by 11.30 AM.�� Even though he alwyas uses a latest Benz car, it may take at least 2 � hours to reach the destination.�� Every one including the Methran Kakshi members (65 % of the parishioners belongs to that faction) was very critical of the Catholicos who always preaches for poor in public.�� But this is the sad situation that exists and people are generally against this lavishness and greed for money, but they have little options.� If greed for money and properties owned by others (parishoners)�can be dropped, then surely a lasting peace will come there in Malankara Church.

          Paul Pothen

          kuriakose george wrote:

          I have� gone thru few posting in the� SOCM Forum and� you may find my
          feelings to both factions of Malankara� Syrian Christian Church as follows.



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        • PAUL POTHEN
          Athura@�����.., Thank you Liba; with your explanation about your present FACTIONAL affiliation, it is now very clear for your inspiration behind criticizing
          Message 4 of 6 , May 21 9:41 PM
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            Athura@�..,

            Thank you Liba; with your explanation about your present FACTIONAL affiliation,it is now very clear for your inspiration behind criticizing the Syrian Orthodox Christians of Malankara.

            Now a doubt.You say your factions name as �Orthodox SYRIAN Church� under a Catholicos based at Kottayam who claim himself to be the supreme head of all the Orthodox Christians of Malankara.I would like to know, why you continue to use �SYRIAN� in your faction�s name, while your entire leadership claim to be an exclusive National Church of only Kerala (South Travancore ?) origin?�� Remember, most of your present day leaders and other institutions in your faction, do not use the word �SYRIAN� in your faction�s name, but in official records of your faction, �SYRIAN� is not yet avoided, why is it so?��� Is it to avoid any legal hazards?

            In any case, I think it is better for your faction to officially drop �Syrian� from your faction�s name and use some other like �Kottayam� / �South Travancore�Orthodos Church, which is more apt.

            Now one more doubt, you�expalin your faction's name as �Orthodox Syrian Church�.When did your faction adopted that name ?Was it in 1912 when your new group was formed by Vattasseril Thirumeni �or �in 1920�s� or� in 1934 when a new constitution for your faction was formed ?If it was in 1934, then in which name your faction was known before that ?

            Paul

            aathura thomas wrote:

            Hi Paul..

            ����� Well i belong to the ORTHODOX SYRIAN CHURCH..headed by Bawa thirumeni (His Holiness Moron Mar baselios Marthoma Mathews II)..And not the Patrughese or Jacobite Section of OSC. That should give u the answer

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          • Thomas V.M
            Dear Liba, Every thing created by Him is His. Was it correct on His part have little extra care for Jews?(as shown in old testament). What about people of
            Message 5 of 6 , May 21 11:18 PM
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              Dear Liba,
              Every thing created by Him is His.
              Was it correct on His part have little extra care for
              Jews?(as shown in old testament).
              What about people of other religions?.Do one has to be
              a memeber of Indian Orthodox church to be Gods
              children?Are they better placed than Hindus or
              Muslims?Is Catholicose holier than other bishops?
              Then he is more than Gods other children?
              Only He knows.
              Love and regards


              -- aathura thomas <aathura@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi Paul..
              >
              > Well i belong to the ORTHODOX SYRIAN
              > CHURCH..headed by Bawa thirumeni (His Holiness Moron
              > Mar baselios Marthoma Mathews II)..And not the
              > Patrughese or Jacobite Section of OSC. That should
              > give u the answer
            • V Thomas
              It was great story! Love and regards vmt ... From: aathura thomas [mailto:aathura@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:16 PM To:
              Message 6 of 6 , May 22 6:38 AM
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                It was great story!

                Love and regards

                vmt

                -----Original Message-----
                From: aathura thomas [mailto:aathura@...]
                Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:16 PM
                To: socm-forum@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [SOCM-FORUM] Using Gods Pen

                Special Delivery :

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                Sally jumped up as soon as she saw the surgeon come out of the operating room. She said: "How is my little boy? Is he going to be O.K.? When can I see him?" The surgeon said, "I'm sorry, we did all we could." Sally said, "Why do little children get cancer, doesn't GOD care any more? GOD, where were you when my son needed you?" The surgeon said, "One of the nurses will be out in a few minutes to let you spend time with your son's remains before it's transported to the �� university". Sally asked that the nurse stay with her while she said good-bye to her son.
                ��� ��� Sally ran her fingers through his thick red curly hair. The nurse said, "Would you like a lock of his hair?" Sally nodded yes. The nurse cut a lock of his hair and put it in a plastic bag and handed it to Sally. Sally said, "It was Jimmy's idea to give his body to the university for study. He said it might help somebody else," and that is what he wanted. I said, No at first, but Jimmy said, "Mom I won't be using it after I die, maybe it will help some other little boy to be able to spend one more day with his mother".��� ��
                ��� � Sally said, "My Jimmy had a heart of Gold, always thinking of someone else and always wanting to help others if he could". Sally walked out of the Children's Hospital for the last time now after spending most of the last 6 months there. She sat the bag with Jimmy's things in it on the seat beside of her in the car. The drive home was hard and it was even harder to go into an empty house. She took the bag to Jimmy's room and started placing the model cars and things back in his room exactly where he always kept them. She laid down across his bed and cried herself to sleep holding his pillow. Sally woke up about midnight and laying beside of her on the bed, was a letter folded up. She opened the letter, it said:
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                ��� � Dear Mom,
                ��� � I know you're going to miss me, but don't think that I will ever forget you or stop loving you because I'm not around to say I LOVE YOU. I'll think of you every day mom and I'll love you even more each day. Some day we will see each other again. If you want to adopt a little boy so you won't be so lonely, he can have my room and my old stuff to play with. If you decide to get a girl instead, she probably wouldn't like the same things as us boys do, so you will have to buy her dolls and stuff girls like. Don't be sad when you think about me, this is really a great place. Grandma and Grandpa met me as soon as I got here and showed me around some, but it will
                take a long time to see everything here. The angels are so friendly, and I love to watch them fly.��� ��
                Jesus doesn't look like any of the pictures I saw of Him, but I knew it was Him as soon as I saw him. Jesus took me to see GOD! And guess what mom? I got to sit on GOD'S knee and talk to Him like I was somebody important. I told GOD that I wanted to write you a letter and tell you��� good-bye and everything, but I knew that wasn'tallowed. God handed me some paper and His own personal pen to write you this letter with. I think Gabriel is the name of the angel that is going to drop this letter off to you. God said for me to give you the answer to one of the questions you asked Him about...

                Where was He when I needed him?

                God said, "The same place He was when Jesus was on the cross. He was right there, as He always is with all His children.

                Oh, by the way Mom, nobody else can see what is written on this paper but you. To everyone else, it looks like a blank piece of paper. I have to give God His pen back now, He has some more names to write in the Book Of Life. Tonight I get to sit at the table with Jesus for�� � supper. I'm sure the food will be great. I almost forgot to let you know - Now I don't hurt anymore,
                the cancer is all gone. I'm glad because I couldn'tstand that pain anymore and God couldn't stand to see me suffer the pain either, so He sent The Angel of Mercy to get me. The Angel said I was Special Delivery!
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                ��� � Signed with love from:
                ��� � God & Jesus & Me
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                ��� � Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your way acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.
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