- Dear manoj, I think we have little bit of problem understanding each other. May be the foreign language we are using for communicating each other is making theMessage 1 of 3350 , Aug 28, 2005View SourceDear manoj,
I think we have little bit of problem understanding each other. May be the foreign language we are using for communicating each other is making the whole confusion.
Anyway, I have to agree with what you said " Our church is in a very serious identity crisis". Identity means "the same person or thing as being claimed". Yes, we are not the same person as being claimed.That is our real problem. We all agree that the father of our Indian Church is St. Thomas. During 2000 years of our history so many step fathers lived with us and gave us fatherly care which made us forget our real father. That made us lose our identity. May be you will again say that " You did not mean it". This is what I like in you Manoj. You always speak your mind.
I am not at all against your church. I always argue for a sepertion of these two churches. You know why. This will help you to learn your lesson faster instead of spending our precious resources in court cases for another 100 years.
Look at our history. Look at the sacrifices our forefathers made for getting out of bondage. Starting from Moses. Freeing the Israelites from Egyptian Bondage.
The sacrifices our country made for having the freedom we enjoy today. The Indian Catholic or Zero Malabar church for having an Indian Bishop. Of course there are problems. But the freedom we got is invaluable.
Your current subordination may satisfy your ego for the timebeing, but it has a very very long term consequence. I think our Holy Catholicoses whether it is Murimattathil Bawa or Ougen Bawa recognized it, though late. Bishops from your side who joined the mainstream recognized it.
Since I am in this conversation with you , I spent little time to look at our history. It appears to me that the Catholicose Vs. patriarch fight is as old as christianity. This is what we inherited and I am afraid this is going to continue for a long time.
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--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Manoj George wrote:
> Dear Ronnie,
> Why do hate us so much ? Why do you have so much hatred towards
our church ? Reading your messages I feel like your only aim is to
counter each and everything what our church says even if you have to
present pure rhetoric to support your arguments. .............
- Dear Sir, Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration. (1) Yes,Message 3350 of 3350 , Mar 8 9:35 PMView SourceDear Sir,Thanks for the reply and I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I would like to point out few things for your information and kind consideration.(1) Yes, It is noticed that the calendar is made by Samajam, but let me reiterate its a Church Calendar. I had pointed out this to Mr. Daniel, who made this a year back, but unfortunately I got the reply that this is to be used for Saudi Arabia. I don't think any one in Saudi Arabia use Church Calendar in their offices. Further, if its for Saudi Arabia, that shpuld be with Samajam members and wellwishers, it should not appear in jacobite online's website. Am I making sense?(2) Even our local church calendar in Kerala often makes this mistakes, as they put these dates in Calendars, I believe. How can we justify that, if so.(3) Communal harmony is well and good, but that should not get in to a level which dilutes the basic faith (when I say faith means, its Christian Faith, not church/ community) we adhere to.As a person, I'm so weak and cannot take it to higher hierarchy, but you can.Once again thanks for your reply and I hope my points are clear to you now.RegardsShibu MATHEWID number is 4595
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Shibu Mathew <shibmat@...> wrote:Hello,
It has been noticed for the past couple of years hat the Church Calendar highlights the 'Hijra' dates along with the Gregorian date. Basically there is nothing harmful in first shot, but there is a damage behind that.Hijra year is basically the year Muslims calculate as the year when they received Quran to them. My question, Are we Christians accept and acknowledge the same?St. Pauls says to Galatians 1: 9 "As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."Keeping this in mind; how do we highlight Hijri year? Let normal calendar carry it for business reasons, but Church Calendar shall not...Please express yourself with comments....Rgds
Shibu MATHEWID number is 4595---------------------From the desk of moderatorsThis calender was prepared and distributed by our congregation (SAMJAM) in Saudi Arabia. For their own reasons they included the "Hijra" dates.