- V Thomas (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote on 2-March-2002, Suggestion. MM SHOULD DECLARE ANAPAPAY ALSO A SAINT.!!! Read the below News from MalayalaMessage 1 of 4 , Mar 2 1:59 AMView Source
V Thomas (vthomas@...) wrote on 2-March-2002,
" Suggestion. MM SHOULD DECLARE ANAPAPAY ALSO A SAINT.!!! "
Read the below News from Malayala Manorama about Mr.ANAPAPPY
On 18th Feb 2002 (Sunday), a special commemorative meeting on the life of the body guard of Wattasseril Thirumeni, Mr.ANAPPAPPY , was held at Kottayam Cherya palli Hospital at 4.00 PM. The meeting was presided over by Chengannoor Metropolitan, Thomas Athanasius, and others were also present. It is heard that the speakers praised this ANAPAPPY for his services.
A concerned news about the event was published in MALAYALA MANORAMA daily on 17th Feb 2002, Page 3, Kottayam Edition. You can access the news by clicking the following link.
V Thomas <vthomas@...> wrote:Dear All,Many years back I have read a novel by name" Devils Advocate".As I rememberin that book the author mentions the discreet methods catholic church takes beforedeclaring one as saint.(canonisation).There has to be records of miracles conductedby the person when he was living and also miracles happened by the intercession of thesaint .They have not declared mother Therasa as saint so far ,even though we in indiaused to consider her as a living saint ,when she was alive..Do we (syrian orthodox church)have any procedure for canonisation?How we have declared the earlier metropolitans as saint?.I have not heard about the miracles done by Vattaseril thirumeni,during his life,other thanthe strife HG has created.Many people,I have heard, describing him as very 'smart.' but not saintly.HG and his followers could establish St Thomas throne in India,by deciet. H.G could divide our churchI have heard, HG was ruthless to his opponents.In this connection, I have heard a story aboutthe Malanaka Metro politan who was cast out by Vttaseril metropolitan ruthlessly from pazhaya seminary thenThat bishop took asylum in Panambady St Marys church.HG was very old , a pious and simple man who wasno match for vattaseril faction.(.Paulose Mor Kurilos,Kochuparambil thirumeni).This story was told by none other than our late Perumballi ThirumeniStorykochuparambil thirumeni was old and pious.HG was meticulous in his seven times a day prayers.For midnight prayer he used to rely the call of Puvan khozhy(cock).As oldest and senior most metroploitan he was the Malnkara metropolitan.After division in chuchas a supporter of Patriarch he was asked to go out from Pazhaya seminary,as pazhaya seminarycame in to the hands of Metran kashi..By kettu vallam(boat),from Pazhaya seminary HG came down toSt Marys church panambady which is down the stream.But Vattseril faction thought as a Malakara Metropolitan H.G may create problem and wanted finish offThirumeni.They hired a notorious killer of that time by name Anapappy to kill the bishop.Anappay came in the midnight to kill thrumeni and entered the thirumeni's roomAs thirumeni was not there ,he went back with the intention of returning,after some timeHistory says he was killed by Muslims,the same night.Where was the H.G when Anappappy came?As per the version of our dear late prumballil thirumeni,who was famous for metaphorical narrations,that night puven kozhy(cock) gave the alaram(kooval),earlyand thirumeni went to pary earlier than ebvery night.When Anapappy was looking for thirumeni,the angels were gaurding H.G.Leave alone this story.I am a beneficiary,of the intercession of kochuparambil thirumeni,many times.Thirumeni is a saint and we need to look into the life of H.G as Malayalmanoramahas already made Vattaseril Thirumeni a saint.Suggestion.MM SHOULD DECLARE ANAPAPAY ALSO A SAINT.!!!vmt--- Original Message -----From: PAUL POTHENSent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:15 PMSubject: [SOCM-FORUM] Wattessril Methran, a Saint ?With the announcement of Wattasseril Thirumeni as Saint, it is becoming clearer and clearer, what the future intentions of Manorama group. Instead of Wattaseril Methran, they could have conferred sainthood to Pampady Thirumeni who according to many in their church is the apt candidate.....
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- ... The Syriac Orthodox Church does not have the rigorous and formal procedure of canonization or beatification as practiced in the Roman Catholic Church. TheMessage 2 of 4 , Mar 3 2:33 AMView SourceIn message #453, "V Thomas" <vthomas@t...> wrote:
> Do we (syrian orthodox church) have any procedure for canonisation?The Syriac Orthodox Church does not have the rigorous and formal
> How we have declared the earlier metropolitans as saint?.
procedure of canonization or beatification as practiced in the Roman
Catholic Church. The fathers of the church were not compelled to
establish such formal processes most likely due to the reluctance to
establish parameters for "holiness" best left to judgment in the
sight of God. In practice, the holiness of a saint is recognized by
popular acclaim and over time the more prominent of the holy ones are
commemorated as saints in the liturgies. Today, from a liturgical
perspective, the formal recognition as a saint comes with the
authorization to use the quqalya of the zadeeqe (hymns for
intercession of the righteous) in his or her commemoration at the
tomb or on the memorial day. Given the widely variant list of local
saints in the calendars of different monasteries in the Middle East,
I suspect that such recognitions of sainthood were made rather
informally by the abbots of monasteries. In recent times, the
Patriarch as the spiritual head of the Church grants such
authorizations with the consent of the Holy Synod. However, given the
fact that the fifth diptych (Syr. toob-deyn) read universally has
undergone no changes since it was authored by Mor Ya`qub of Edessa
(c. AD 633-708), it is unlikely that any Patriarch since has formally
declared anyone a universal saint. (Note that even the encyclical
from HH the Patriarch No. E265/87 dt. Oct 20, 1987 permits additions
to the diptych for use only in Malankara).
In my humble opinion, the Church should remain true to its traditions
and shy away from formal bestowals of sainthood. It is up to the
faithful to seek intercession of whoever they consider holy in the
sight of God. After all is said and done, those who have a 'confident
stand in the presence of God' are the ones who are holy.
Thomas Joseph, Ph.D.
Web Master, SOR (http://sor.cua.edu)
Technical Editor, Hugoye: Journal of Syriac Studies