Re: WHERE DO WE STAND??
- Dear Dn George Mathew,
The said posting is not from any single source.
Rather i have compiled it with whatever limited
knowledge i have from reading scores of books.
( As i have told iam an ordinary layman without
any exposure to "theology")
Those books include Syrian Orthodox Publications,
RCC publications, some translations of Byzantine
publications and of course IOC publications.
I have arrived at my own conclusions with my limited
knowledge, without any direct quotes from any of the
If you can point out exactly where you disagree with
me on that posting then of course i can furnish you
with the authenticity.
I dont think that it will be feasible to send all
proofs on that posting through the forum. As such the
posting itself was very long and i thank the
moderators for publishing it and all those who could
spend time in reading it.
If your doubt is regarding the "orthodox grouping" i
have given, then you only have to look around. You can
find for yourself if that grouping exists.
You can see the "Oriental Orthodox" churches existing
as a family. ( Of course IOC acts as if its a distant
cousin).They are in interaction all the time,
following the same faith and in total communion. You
can see for yourself that non of the Oriental Orthodox
Churches is in total Communion with any of the
Byzantine or East Syrian or Assyrian Churches.
Same way the Byzantine orthodox Churches have their
own interaction, where IOC is never called. You cant
find fault with them because as far as they are
concerned IOC belongs to the Oriental Orthodox group
with which they are not in communion.
Same is the situation with the Assyrian Churches. IOC
is never part of any dialogue between the Assyrian
Now "friendly" visits from Assyrian or Byzantine
churches should not be mistaken for communion. As I
have said in my last posting the visit of "ecuminacal
patriarch" from a Byzantine church to IOC churches
itself proves my argument. The "ecuninacal patriarch"
never bothered to conduct mass in any IOC church. He
conducted mass in an Assyrian/East Syrian church in
ernakulam with which his church is in communion.
It should also be said that IOC too didn�t allow the
"ecuminacal patriarch" to have any role in the mass
conducted in parumala church. The "ecumenical
patriarch" was just a bystander.
The fact is a majority of the theologians in IOC
doesn�t want anything to do with East
Its because of the difference regarding the faith of
But a minority group of "theologians" with the help
of the ruling "caucus" wants to tie the IOC in
Byzantine/Assyrian stable for their own reasons.
And its against them my posting is directed.
It�s a fact that the a vast majority of laymen and
priests of IOC want to remain in true faith. But
without even their knowledge they are led to a faith
they don�t know anything about.
The simple reason why the Oriental Orthodox Churches
doesn�t have communion with the Byzantine and
Assyrian/East Syrian Churches is because of the
Chalcedonian Synod. Where the twin nature of Christ
was accepted by the Eastern church and the See of
Now there may be some "theologians" who ask what is
wrong with the Chalcedonian Creed??
You being a Dn can answer that question better than
For those who may not be clear on the Chalcedonian
The Synod decided that the Christ is having "twin"
nature. ie along with the "godly" nature Christ also
have "human nature".
Iam not going into details. But for those who have
read "The Last Temptation Of Christ" by Kazantzakis it
will be easy to understand. The author was born in a
Byzantine Orthodox Church and was a practicing
Byzantine Orthodox layman. He have compiled a thousand
page fiction on what ever came to his mind as a kid.
So, if for some there is nothing wrong in Chalcedonian
faith let it be.
But why should they lead an unsuspecting community
into this trap??
Already there are signs that there is change in
thinking in some of the layman of IOC. Days back one
member of the IOC forum wrote that he would "love to
be part of Byzantine Orthodox Churches"
The simple truth is that this member doesnt know what
is the Byzantine Faith and what is the faith of the
Oriental Orthodox Churches of which his own Church is
Out of his ignorence only he has started loving the
But dont be surprised, if tomorrow this ignorence
leads him to a pentacostal church.
PS: Dear dn, rather than the source of my posting, you
should be more worried about the contents of my
posting. Can you point out where you disagree in my