- The Sound of the Spirit Listen! Can You Hear It? Open your ears, and I shall speak to you. Give Me yourself, so that I may also give you Myself. (The Book ofMessage 1 of 13 , May 24, 2003View SourceThe Sound of the Spirit
Listen! Can You Hear It?
Open your ears, and I shall speak to you. Give Me yourself, so that I
may also give you Myself. (The Book of the Odes, 9: 1-2)
His Sweet Voice Calling Out To Us
"God so wishes us to return to Him that He keeps calling to us again
and again to approach Him. It is due to His sweet holy Voice that
our soul is lost in ecstasy and surrenders totally to His will".
-- Saint Teresa of Avila
Angelic Music That Astonishes All Who Hear It
"....with sweet voice, with sweet and incessant voice and various
singing, which it is impossible to describe, and which astonishes
every mind, so wonderful and marvellous is the singing of those
angels, and I was delighted listening to it". (2nd Enoch)
The Song of the Angels
I think that no soul may truly feel the angel's song or heavenly
Sound, unless it is in perfect love, though not all that are in
perfect love have felt it, but only the soul that is so purified in
the fire of love that all earthly savor is burned out of it, and all
obstacles between the soul and the cleanness of angels are broken and
put away from it. Then truly may he sing a new song, and truly may he
hear a blessed heavenly Sound, and angel's song, without deceit or
feigning. Our Lord knows the soul that, for abundance of burning
love, is worthy to hear angel's song.
-- Walter Hilton, "The Song of Angels,"
The Harp of the Spirit
"As the wind glides through the harp and the strings speak,
So the Spirit of the Lord speaks through my members, and I speak
through His love". (The Book of the Odes, 6: 1-2)
Hearing the Spirit
I heard a noise like wind blowing in my ears
and knew it for the Sound of the Holy Spirit
which became like the voice of a dove.
When the Lord spoke to me I lost all sense
of time. I did not know if he was with me
five or six hours or only one. It was so
holy and full of grace that I felt as if
I had been in heaven.
-- Margery Kempe, The Mirror of Love, Morehouse Publishing
- Dear Aley John and others, Your concern on all the points raised seems to be very relevant. It is true that we are spending crores of rupees for cases. YouMessage 2 of 13 , Jun 1, 2003View SourceDear Aley John and others,
Your concern on all the points raised seems to be very relevant.
It is true that we are spending crores of rupees for cases. You
have rightly pointed it too. But the problem with many persons
is that they are only seeing one side of the coin.
The Jacobites are a people who are defending for their existence.
Some may think that since we are all Christians we must always take
a policy to avoid issues even by giving up everything. Being a human
being I cant always agree with that. Take the case of Kunnamkulam
Arthat Simhasana church. It was built by Saintly Sleeba Mar Osthathios
Bava in a land donated to the Holy See by a group of people who found
it difficult to carry on their daily Spiritual needs in their parent
church. Bavas silent prayers helped to construct a church there and
he was buried here and for lakhs of people this is a Holy place. But
after the farce unity of 1958, the opposite group started to create
problems in that church by trying to bring it under the direct control
of the Malankara Metropolitan who was also the Catholicos then.
Former Catholicos Baselios Geevarghese II even dared to enter this
Church inorder to take control of the Church and its properties. He
was then accompanied by a strong police force against the kind request
of the people who were members of that Church. The problems started
at that time continues even now. At present while 1000 odd familes
are Jacobites, there are only less than 13 who are siding with the
opposite group. Moreoever there are 2 large Churches and 5 small
capels for the opposite group very near to this Simhasana Church.
(The main Church which is in total control of opposite group is
just 1/2 a kilometer away from the Simhasana Church) While most
of the opposite group have no objection in stopping the cases against
the Jacobites it is the very who are in the leadership of opposite
group who are continuing with the cases. While all including those
in opposite group call the Church as Bavas Pally or Simhasana Church,
the very few in methran faction call it Arthat Puthen pally with the
intention to mix it with the IOC churches. Malayala Manorama is the
group which helps to propogate this usage by giving the name of the
Church as Arthat Puthen Pally in their Calendars published every year.
I have expressed so much to point out the malefic intentions of the
opposite group. Now they have filed another case in Supreme Court
against even the Simhasana Churches claiming that there are no such
Churches in Malankara. Every other persons knows that there are many
Simhasana Churches like Majanikkara, Perumpally, Soonoro at Ekm.,
Kottayam, Kunnamkulam, Malecurisu and many more. But those who conduct
the cases for the opposite group cant agree with this. They want to
squeeze the Jacobites out of their churches. For that their Catholicose
Mathews II is signing many cheques running to crores of rupess which he
mentioned in his jubilee functions at Kottayam. (here he actually tried to
get sympathy by saying so, but the common man understood who is the culprit)
Like in the major case, the Simhasana churches are now forced to engage an
advocate in SC to defend the case. This advocate may not be in par with
Adv. Nariman of opposite group, but whatelse can we do with our limited
resources. We can of course avoid defending, but what will then happen ?
we will just loose all our Churches which our forefathers constructed.
In many cases they have built churches after they have been thrown out
of their parent churches. But now with the help of a very few parishioners,
in most cases 4 or 5 in a Church of 1000 odd familes, the opposite group
is creating problems and they are spending crores just to take control of
the property of the poor Jacobites.
My kind question to those who advice us to stop defending the cases in
court is, Are there anyone who are ready to leave their home if one of
their relatives make an unrealistic claim of the house. I dont think
anyone will simply give up their claim even if they loose their legal
rights. They will continue to defend until their last. That is even by
mortgaging all the other properties. The people, who create troubles,
may sometimes seems to be successful with the help of crores of rupees,
but this victory will not be the end of everything. It is just the
beginning. Those who suffer the most will have the last say. I am
confident in that. I believe that the God is always with those who
suffers and not with those who spend crores of rupees.
- hello Aley John, i read ur letter, i am very much thanks towards u.because u taught me more to pray.u said more about commonsense, but one thing is to rememberMessage 3 of 13 , Jun 1, 2003View Sourcehello Aley John,
i read ur letter, i am very much thanks towards u.because u
taught me more to pray.u said more about commonsense, but one
thing is to remember human being's commonsense can't overcome
one think to remember don't mix faith with other like politics and
other relations. holy father Yakoob 3rd only ordered don't
participate in the sacraments(koodasakal) of any vedavipareethical
not say about human, business and other relations. why u think
u understand the syrian fathers are not "mad" with church and not
kill any one who aganist them but they only keep the holy faith
and ready to die for that. to save their soul and others. no one
make any pressure to change the only fact is If any one believe
and he/she needs then they can enter into the church other wise
u think i am "mad" with church. don't think like this. i am a
faithful believer and do my duties towards church. i have many
friends in different religions and different churches. i visited
the houses of some of them also.did u read mar yeldho bava's
history. bava wanted the nambootiri to direct him to a church. he
helped bava.then what happened? he understood bava is a saint, by
bava's activites.through that he believe bava and he said about
his sisters pain and so and so.(not explain in detail.)
here what is to understand ? a good follower's duty. through faith
bava make him a believer.
again u think i am shouting everybody who are aganist our
church.??? , i am at piravom BPC college(our college)
i have many friends there. also at the hostel we are from
different religions. also from different churches.but any way i
can't raised any question or anything about their or our church to
but one thing i prayed to God morn and eve. some of our church
members met me and discuss about our church and faith but others
don't know about this discussions.
one day an indian orthodox member came to room and shout this
that so and so. at the begining i don't say any word. some of our
church faithfuls try to protest. after his shouting i took the
holy bible and wants him to read some portions. he reject then i ask 1
question and said some important statements only. he can't able to
answer and he left the room. u say who make problems?? who violate
disipline and decency????
i cut my class and attended the puthencruz meeting. after i
reached college many of our faitfuls shouted at me why i didn't
took permission from principal and took them also. i asked them if
any one is interested he must participate his own risk. if it take
as a college issue that may make problems in college.(rumers or
some other) any way. after that some of the opposite faction
members came and shout they will caught all parishes and never allow
yours dead body to burry so and so. i only told u can't do any thing
upon our church.
whatever happens i am not ready to move from Holy ANTIOCH.
also i told to them u follow ur faith and allow others to follow
u say my decision or their is correct?? who is making problem???
after 9 pm. one of the fellow came into my room and said "i don't
know what is the real history behind this problems??? please tell
me what happened?" only at that time i opened my mouth to explain
the faith to an oppossion member.(the time he wants to know) atlast
he said their party is doing wrong. i think this is the commonsense
not mine but God's activity.
u say abt marriage and other needs commonsense. but if God's
activites can destroy this plan(from commonsense)then what is the use.
now i don't write in more detail. any way we can see the next.....
another incident i was at rajagiri college at hostel we 2 guys
from Jacobite and 1 from "indian church" and then hindus
muslims and so. we have psycology classes and NLP classes there.
so i can understand ur mind. but don't think ur way in faith is
correct(commonsense).don't try to mix decisions from commonsense
and faith.keep the faith is the commonsense here. we 2 discuss abt
the church matters so and so. and we don't discuss it as a public
matter. At that time our H.B thomas1 catholicose was ordained and
reached here from ANTIOCH. the indian orhodox man is waiting for
a word from us. but we didn't say anything to him. one day "indian
church" man to our faithful told some thing about our catholicose.
he replied if u are like this i did't allow this to continue.
so we don't discuss the church matters. he left him. next day he
met me. he told to me ur bava is this that so and so. i also replied
if u continue i wouldn't allow. we have to live together in the same
hostel. so he left me.
we have 10 day NSS camp at koratty. at the 7 th day he called some
of the girls of our church and told them something u are like this
that so and so. some of my friends from RC informed me that fellow
is brainwashing some Jacobite girls. when i heard this news i
reached there. At that time he stopped his work. i simply asked
what u are doing? he say oh talking. our girls told me all the
things. i sat there and said if u are ready we can discuss. he
say ok at that time our other faithful also reached. he told he wants
to start. i asked u start, at that time i am teaching our girls abt
the faith. he started the discussion with the "indian church" man
and i taught our girls. after sometimes that "indian church"
fellow has no words to talk. then i also entered into the dicussion.
i raised some statements and asked 1 que only he has no word to
answer. at that time all our girls, some of RC guys and girls laughed
at him and they understood what is the matter of their church and their
activities. the next day itself news abt brainwashing spread.
u tell who is wrong??? we explain only the faith and no more.
the next day some of the RC sisters met me and wanted to told
them the real faith. and the problems in the church case?
i explained. i also include now jacobite and RC joined by
discussion b/t the patriarchs of these 2 churches.
after this Jacobites got a good image there - a deciplined and
desencent group and the other have a worst.
where the commonsense??? only god's activities succeded.
don't proud about your own commonsense. if god is willing we can
see the next... it is a sure matter if not confess. god doesn't
leave his bride
-Holy church. Jesus Christ words are the faith of our church. lord
built only one church that is on St. Peter. the all others are
duplicates and not by Jesus Christ. these duplicates never exist.
their aim is to redirect all from entering from the church of our
LORD by making confusions. same dress, same prayers and so. they
are the real anti-christ, anti-christians, anti-church, anti-profects.
(kalla christu, kalla pravachakanmar).jesus said at the end kalla
kristukalum kalla pravachkanmarum will come, and trying to make wrong.
god reveals u the meaning.
- Friends, Dowery system has its good and bad side. Under christian law a girl has no rights to her parents property after the marriage.(unless she go throughMessage 4 of 13 , Jun 2, 2003View SourceFriends,
Dowery system has its good and bad side. Under christian law a girl has no
rights to her parents property after the marriage.(unless she go through the
court) So it is good to give her fair share of her parents wealth at the
time of marriage.
The bad side is that people get greedy and try to squeze dowery beyond
other's ability to pay.
Your comments please.
Nisha Sharma's case has attracted worldwide attention.
Dowry demand lands groom in jail
A bride who got the police to arrest her bridegroom has become something of
a celebrity in India.
Nisha Sharma, 21, called the police after her father was asked for more
dowry money just minutes before her wedding ceremony.
The custom of dowry is outlawed in India although it is still widely
Her plucky decision has won widespread media coverage and she says she has
received offers of marriage from men who support her courage.
Ms Sharma's call to the police took place after her brother warned her that
a scuffle had broken out between the two families.
He told her that the groom had assaulted her father and asked for some
$25,000 in cash as dowry.
The groom has since been arrested and the police are looking for other
members of the family who are missing.
The giving and accepting of dowry is a punishable offence in India and can
lead to imprisonment
Nisha Sharma's action has got her widespread media attention, with the
front-pages of most national dailies featuring her story.
A radio show in Delhi, carrying a long interview with her, has presented her
as a role model for other young women in distress.
Her house in a sprawling Delhi suburb is buzzing with visitors - a great
many from the media but also women activists, neighbours and other well
wishers who want to congratulate her.
Inside her house, she sits on the floor surrounded by people patiently
queuing up to speak to her in person.
Despite the attention, she says she is proud of what she has done.
"It has robbed me of my voice - all this constant re-telling of my story -
but I am loving every second of it because I do believe it is something
young girls and women in general need to know about," she tells the BBC.
Her mother and aunt who sit close by protectively nod in agreement
Nisha says she has received several letters from prospective suitors who say
they would be honoured to marry her because she has been so brave.
She is also reported to have been approached by one political party which
wants her to stand as its representative in state elections.
But she brushes off both offers lightly.
She says she is happy to have got out of an ugly situation and that all she
can think of at the moment is completing her graduation.
- Dear Mr.Paul, thank you for correcting me. i wrote my feelings not as a schollar of the church. i am not even a noted member of the church. none in the parishMessage 5 of 13 , Jun 2, 2003View SourceDear Mr.Paul,
thank you for correcting me. i wrote my feelings not
as a schollar of the church. i am not even a noted
member of the church. none in the parish where i
attend the holy querbana knows me.
what i mentioned was the commandments Jesus gave to
1 love your God
2 love your neibhour
i just clubed them as it was concentrated on Love. as
i understood the God He is Love.
we have no Love but what we have is the negative
expression of love.
i hope it is clear to you. i donot want to make any
contraversy on the subject. you may post a correct
i love all
>Really? How do you know? Please show that to me that LOVEpaul
>is the only commandment. My understanding is that LOVE is
>one of the commandments.
- Dear friends: Mariam has become an angel! God called her back to eternal rest. She breathed her last on Saturday and was buried yesterday. We want to onceMessage 6 of 13 , Jun 3, 2003View SourceDear friends:
Mariam has become an angel! God called her back to eternal rest. She
breathed her last on Saturday and was buried yesterday. We want to
once again thank you all for your solidarity in our grief through your
prayers. Let me assure you that it has been a great source of peace and
comfort for all of us. Please do continue to pray for her soul and for
the berieved family.
May all of us experience the great power of the Holy Spirit as we prepare
ourselves for the Pentecost
Fr.George Mathew Nalunnakkal
from the desk of Moderators
Dear George Achan
Our heartfelt condolence is conveyed to the bereaved
family of the little Angel, for and on behalf of the entire SOCM
- Dear forum participants, I would like to have your heads up. I am about to filter SOCM mail to my junk mail box. At the time of the emergence of this forum, IMessage 7 of 13 , Jun 3, 2003View SourceDear forum participants,
I would like to have your heads up. I am about to filter SOCM mail to
my junk mail box. At the time of the emergence of this forum, I
anticipated that this forum would be a great effort to bring up very
healthy and informative discussion on the topics of common interest
based on Church issues and social problems associated with Church or,
of theology, bible, such more in that discipline, and current hot
Unfortunately, I have seen several uncomfortable postings.
Some of them have been harassing other people by addressing them
without giving proper respect ( generally accepted ). If someone
receives a title, he should be addressed with that title. It does not
mean that we accept what they claim with that title. But it does mean
we respect other people. It is christian and divine, isn't it? I have
a humble request on this regard, please avoid using the words on the
street on a world wide web virtual media like this.
Some article focuses on good topic and reveals good point. However,
using uncomfortable words could cause for a reverse effect on the
article and valid point the writer intends to disclose.
Secondly, I have noticed several reports and circulars from Sunday
School and churches posted here in this forum one after another. If
all the Sunday schools and churches post their reports and `perunnal'
notice on this forum, who will read it and what the response would
be. Can you imagine? Here is a suggestion. If they want to circulate
any information or report, please set up a group for that purpose
that should be constrained to the relevant area.
I hope the moderator should censor the articles before posting them
on the forum.
From the desk of the moderators
We thank you for your valuable comments and interest on our postings. We do
hope our members will take his suggestions in good spirit and follow it for
the good of our Church & Forum
- Christ Is Risen! Truly He Is Risen! [Christ] is baptized not as Himself requiring purification but as making my purification His own, that He may break theMessage 8 of 13 , Jun 3, 2003View SourceChrist Is Risen! Truly He Is Risen!
"[Christ] is baptized not as Himself requiring purification but as making my
purification His own, that He may break the heads of the dragons on the water,
that He may wash away sin and bury all the old Adam in water, that He may
sanctify the Baptist, that He may fulfill the Law, that He may reveal the mystery
of the Trinity, that He may become the type and example to us of baptism. But
we, too, are baptized in the perfect baptism of our Lord, the baptism by
water and the Spirit."
St. John of Damaskos.
"Show Your marvelous lovingkindness by Your right hand, O You who save those
who trust in You From those who rise up against them." Psalm 17:7
Please remember Peter Demian in your prayers. Peter remains in critical
condition following the tragedy that took the lives of 5 Coptic youth in California.
Please remember in your prayers the 5 Coptic youth that have lost their lives
in a car accident on their way to St. Anthony Monastery in California. Also,
please remember those who were injured and the families in your prayers.
Please remember me in your prayers.
Please remember the following in your prayers:
Esther - Intestinal problems
Hakim Shahata - Critical condition in a coma at the hospital.
Nick Sarris - Will be undergoing a serious and complicated surgery for cancer
this Friday, May 2nd. Nick is scheduled to start chemotherapy and radiation
treatments over the next 6 months.
Fr. Augustine - Cancer in his leg and may need to have an amputation. God has
allowed Father Augustine a successful operation without the need for
Sue S. - Advanced Cancer
Duff H.- Infection. He has recovered :)
Mina Aziz - Cancer
Helen P. - severe depression and diabetes.
Pamela P. - chronic depression and financial difficulties.
Caroline Kamal and her family - Caroline recently lost her father.
Shafika Guirgis - kidney failure
Mary Beth - Obesity & Diabetes
Jean Dallin - Neurological back problems
Therese - Emotional problems
Ryan - Behavioral problems. Little Ryan is possibly going back into
Reggie - Cancer
Detra - Stress related health problems
Walter Jr. - Cancer. Walter is doing well with the chemotherapy and radiation
Walter Sr. - Depression.
Denise I. - Breast Cancer.
Barbara - Depression & legal & financial problems.
Helen - Multiple health problems & depression.
Please pray for Madeline who has metastatic breast cancer.
Please pray for Cuba Plain who has cancer that is high up in the breast. She
is a mother of 3, ages 15, 12, and 7.
Please pray for Gabrielle Brewer who is pregnant with a potentially serious,
life-threatening illness for the developing baby.
Please remember Jessica in your prayers. Jessica is 15 years old suffering
from brain cancer.
Please remember Daniel who is 14 years old and has cancer in your prayers.
Daniel is in a serious condition and is getting very weak. He is the only child
to his parents. Because of your prayers, Daniel is responding well to his
medication and is getting better both physically and psychologically. Please
continue to pray for him and his family as they lost his mother unexpectedly.
Please remember Suzanne Hanna in your prayers.
Please remember Shwaki Ghobrial in your prayers.
Please remember Zouhair Macktaby in your prayers. Zouhair is suffering from
Please remember Hanan Shawki in your prayers. Hanan has a brain tumor and she
is a mother of two young Kids. Because of your prayers, Hanan is doing much
Please remember Magdy Wadi in your prayers. Magdy has a brain tumor.
Please remember John Rittel in your prayers. John has cancer of the lymph
node and voice box.
Please remember Ibtesam Hweamel in your prayers.
Please remember our brother John in your prayers. John had a brain tumor
removed recently. He is a young servant with 4 young kids. John is getting better.
Please pray for Eugene Boulis, for completion of immigration procedures and
securing a job.
Please pray for the unemployed to find jobs.
Please pray for the peace of the world.
"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." 1 Peter 5:7
- I am writing this so that every one in our Church, both Orthodox and Jacobites, read this and reject any teaching that is against the teaching of Patriarch St.Message 9 of 13 , Jun 3, 2003View SourceI am writing this so that every one in our Church,
both Orthodox and Jacobites, read this and reject any
teaching that is against the teaching of Patriarch St.
Severus. Then, the immediate thing to do is to unite
on the basis of this faith.
"That a church is a confession of right faith no one
who is reckoned among Christians and has understanding
doubts, since the Lord plainly said in the Gospels to
the divine Peter, the first of the apostles, when he
made the confession, Thou art Christ, the Son of the
living God, Thou art Cephas, and upon this rock will I
build my church, and the gates of Sheol shall not
prevail against it; and he called the firmness and
fixity of such a confession a rock. And, as speech
knows a right and sound opinion on faith as a church,
so it also knows the believers who confess it as a
church." [St. Severus, Letter to the Holy Convents of
Virgins of Christ]
In Orthodox church Peter along with Paul is honored
are firsts among Apostles. Peter, as the elder among
them and Paul, because of his hardwork for the Church.
But the Church does not use this as an opportunity to
bring local churches under single administration.
Regarding administration, Apostolic Canons (Canon
Slihe) mandates the unity of the church, the bishops
in "each Nation" under one head bishop.
Few things to notice from the words of St. Severus:
- that "a Church is a confession of right faith"
- that "He called the firmness and fixity of such a
confession a rock"
- that "as speech knows a right and sound opinion on
faith as a Church, so it also knows the believers who
confess it as a Church."
In clear words St. Severus teaches that the "firmness
and fixity of confession" is the Rock.
Based on this, those who teach that the person of
Peter is the Rock is teaching a wrong faith, a faith
different from St. Severus.
Pope Shenouda also explains that the faith of
confession is the Rock upon which the Church is found.
- Dear sister susan Thanks for the new thread Nisha Sharma had her 15 seconds of fame! In India she can extend that to 15 years or even more. As long as thereMessage 10 of 13 , Jun 4, 2003View SourceDear sister susan
Thanks for the new thread
Nisha Sharma had her 15 seconds of fame!
In India she can extend that to 15 years or even more.
As long as there are are arranged marriages dowry has to be
part of it.
In Muslim community they give money to the girl's family.
For Hindus and Christians who have arranged marriages, the dowry
system works like this:
For no dowry, one can find a bum for their daughter - he may even
live in the bride's house.
For one lakh rupees you can probably find a daily laborer
For 10 lakh rupees you can find a white collar employee.
For 25 lakh rupees you can find a professional.
For 1 crore rupees you can find an IAS officer - or more.
SO GET OVER WITH IT.
Aji Thomas David
--- In SOCM-FORUM@yahoogroups.com, Susan Jose wrote:
> Dowery system has its good and bad side. Under christian law a
girl has no
> rights to her parents property after the marriage.(unless she go
> court) So it is good to give her fair share of her parents wealth
> time of marriage.
> The bad side is that people get greedy and try to squeze dowery
> other's ability to pay.
> Your comments please.
> In Christ
> Susan Jose