Re : Thrikkunnathu Seminary Eyewitness Account
- Dear Brethren,
It had been a real long time since I had written on many of our
painful and hot issues, in this forum. In fact, I had restrained
myself many a times not to mouth my feelings/anger on fellow beings
and considered many of the posts as mere blabbering or sheer
negligence. Above all, it had been a feeling of 'what change can
happen' evenif I shout or remain silent. But, now, after reading one
post in the Indian Orthodox mailgroup, I chose to respond.Infact, I am
making myself rush through all other tasks expected from me, so that I
can find time for keying-in this mail.This is not an instinctive
reaction, but a well thought, deliberate action, and I feel this needs
to be shared with a wider audience.
A posting titled "Thrikkunnathu Seminary Eyewitness Account" which had
come in the Indian Orthodox Forum, which had been written by one Mr.
V. Varghese Mathew, Angamally.
With all due respect to you brother Varghese, I agree to disagree with
you on your words from the said post. Rather, I choose to delve into
the lines and understand the same. This is no reciprocation and plz
dont get me wrong here. If I take your words : Myself, who feel proud
to be one among your "Puthencruz Society", dont even think that there
will be any change in the your thought process on seeing my response.
To add, I further do realize that, not just you, but all those who
associate with your lines of thought, who feel happy in keeping this
already fossilized and absurd theological fascinations, are never
going to change at all.
But still, I chose to keep reading and responding. Maybe because I do
appreciate the fiction in your post. Great work of art !
(I have attached the original post below, as an addendum to this mail)
Is that right to respond for a post in IOC forum in SOCM forum ? Am I
justified for my response.
My reasons are
- I am not sure how many of us are seeing the IOC posts
- I dont have a habit of writing to IOC forum.
-- I chose to be a happy member to read the orthodoxy/theology
discussions there. Many of the members of IOC forum, are also
personally known to me, I do like their views on subjects related to
-- And, I always remain there as a silent spectator in the 'hot'
discussions as I do in the other IOC discussions. Just because its
anyone's right to voice their thoughts. Let that be at the top of
their voice, especially when there are people to listen.
- All my posts (whether serious,silly,questioning,personnel or
debating) had been here and I want it to be here
- I feel more people should just read and enjoy the fiction in the
original post, which is my subject for this response
- Finally, I am sure, this message with reach all those eyes, both from IOC or SOC forums
1. >> Eyewitness Account <<
Happy to know that you were there inside the church, near the tombs
of our holy fathers all through the day, so that you could give this
'eye witness writeup'. I do appreciate your dedication and effort.
2. >> unfairness on the part of Judiciary<< >>all ended well<<
Its great to know that you also do accept that our judiciary is
unfair. This had been one argument which the Jacobites had been
raising from good old Nariman days! No one noticed. Now, atleast when
there is a fell that its getting paid back, this acceptance,
eventhough late, is always welcome.
As the oft repeated war strategy goes, if you cannot defeat the enemy
now, wait for your turn, make yourself mightier, and strike at the
right point. When IOC had everything (not denying the fact that it
still has) ie, money, power,influence and political blessing, JSOC had
been in shatters. It was a painfull realization that, to make others
even listen to us, we need to first stand on foot, establish ourself,
make our fellowbeings powerful, be influential, be united as a
votebank to negotiate for political blessing and then strike hard when
the iron is hot.
UDF with Ommen Chandy on steer may not be able to give a helping
hand, since Indian democracy is all about opportunism, money and
negotiation. The only opportunity for JSOC is then LDF. So even if its
Achumman on lead, we have to find our way through. This is no child's
game, but the same old brains which you guys had been using all through.
3. >> Court verdict on 30th January which in all probability will be
in favor of Puthencruz society<< >>Money Politricks <<
Thanks for the wish. Hope it becomes a reality.For this is what we
had been praying all along. As I had mentioned above, even if it is
'money' or 'political tricks' or for all that matter 'blackmailing, as
in one of the earlier judicial verdict', let it be. We learned this
art from IOC and now we are mastering it.
And for those influential groups in IOC, who are PhDs in this
particular art, do have the option of filing another series of
petetions till the SC of India with all blessings from your dean of
this college of art. This can mean that the Thrikkunnath issue will
prevail for another 50 years, in court and litigations. Within this
time, everything will be just ruins and will be beyond repair. As you
4. >> many people have the habit of going to their own church every
Sunday and later attend the feasts in other churches <<
You said it.Yes, this is exactly the point to be made. Thrikkunnath
Seminary is an 'other' church for IOC. You can manage to keep the
habit of attending qurbano at some other 'own' church, wherever it is,
and can find time to visit and attend the 'feasts' in 'OTHER' churches
like Thrikkunnath Seminary. Same is what we do with Parumala Church. I
had made sure to offer my prayers at the tomb atleast once in every
month, when I had been in Kerala. But, for those people who 'own' this
Thrikkunnath Seminary, whose forefathers had toiled for the
establishment of the same, can do nothing but wait, pray and fight for
rights to open the church.
5. >> incense was offered only at the tomb of late HG Dr. Philiphose
Surprising (for me) since I had always wondered at the great
stage-management capability of IOC faction. In my simple thoughts, I
had expected a melodramatic performance and avid demonstration of
so-called rock-solid faith at the tombs by IOC core-team. And, here is
where I accept my failure. It agained proved that we are just kids
when it comes to making news. Its a learning indeed !
Further, I neither want to make any remarks nor explanations on this
premeditated and conspicuous action. A question which had left my mind
clock-ticking from this incident is that "Where are we heading when we
decide to seperate-out, share and assign saints and holy fathers?".
Reminds me of a comic scene from one of the malayalam movie
(chandranudikkunna Dikkil) where Innocent moves an incense stick
towards Christ's photo and asks Christ to take as much incense as he
wants so that only left overs are received by other gods !!
6. >> Murmering to aids << >>Kuppayam<< >>Masanapsa<< >>Maphiranite<<
Good fiction. Definitely has a way of putting things eventhough there
is lot more which could be improved. Appreciable attempt to blend
sarcasm, irony and imagination to a seemly illogical plot. Keep
writing, its not too far to reach an IOC theologian / Devalokam
publiction editor stature.
7. >> Poor enthusiastic journalist <<
Even MM journalists needs to be classified here. The snap of our Bava
(with the Censer in hand) was published by them. Anyway, not to debate
: But, it seems too difficult for me to digest the fact that someone
who believes in orthodoxy, who understands the difference between the
public celebration and Anaphoras, claim as an achievement when Censer
was blocked by law !! Great work of (demi)god(s) !
Usage of "Kinnam Kattathu" kollam. Isthaayi. Ennal mukalil
paranjathinaano parayunne "Murthyekkal valiya Shanthi" ennu ?
8. >> carried Patriarchal flags <<
Noting but and invite for you to come to southern dioceses of IOC to
see the catholica flags being used ! Its just that fact. South, means
majority with IOC and North means, JSOC ! Plain statistics. Raison
d'être - we all know, the power centres of bygone days !!
9. >> As a final note, things went of peacefully << >> many were
smiling at our faithful <<
Good that there is an acceptance that opening the churches which had
been closed down is what is meant by 'peace'. Its not many, but all of
us will smile at each other. Just because we belong to two factions
doesnot mean we will be absolute strangers. That we will not love each
other. Once the above meaning of peace is understood by the IOC power
mongers, problem will be half solved.
Yes, I am not keeping a closed eye here. JSOC also needs some changes
Unless we learn from the world, where orthodox churches co-exist, we
cannot be peaceful. Lets understand that we are very much two
different churches now. Like RCC and JSOC, it should be IOC and JSOC.
The differences may be Ecclesiological which was and is superscribed
with theology and faith. Now, since the divide is existing, lets not
make it wide deliberatley and perish on both ends. We can accept each
other, leave the courts and co-exist. let all churches be opened and
be shared. The majority gets the pocession and minority gets their
rightful share and also aid to be established, from the mother church.
I know its an utopian dream. But man is not complete without dreams !!
10. >> no Syrians but are Arabs <<
I always understood that it is the respect towards the holy church,
the body of Christ, that matter. Not that where its geographical
location is !!
if this is the case, if someone dont like Kottayam, just for reason X
or Y, does that mean he needs to change his faith and move to a
different Christian denomination ?
Any seemingly harmless, but coherently misleading and intentionally
venomous remarks can be dangerous. Extremely dangerous that it can
provoke even the acclaimed introvert to react. We had been doing this
for ages. Until unless we stop the same and come out of the shell of
brain-deads, its the debate that will prevail ! Only the debate ! And
mind you, if decided to do so, there are many more out there who can
do this better than all of us.
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ADDENDUM : THE ORIGINAL POST (from IOC Forum):
Due to the grace of Lord Almighty, this year's Feast passed peacefully.
Even though there was unfairness on the part of Judiciary, all ended
well. Now we are waiting on the Court verdict on 30th January which in
all probability will be in favor of Puthencruz society. Money Politricks.
One of the points that will be brought to the court will be the number
of Puthencruz society faithful who prayed at the Tombs were more! It
is a fact that many people have the habit of going to their own church
every Sunday and later attend the feasts in other churches if it is on
a Sunday. The allotted time for our Church was from 7.00am to 11.00am.
By the time many of our people who were not aware of the timings came,
the allotted time was over and they went with the society members
after 1.00pm to offer prayers at the Tombs. A few
Patriarch fanatics didn't like it and unnecessary tensions were
created. But those who came in the morning to the Chapel attended the
Holy Qurbana and took part in the doopa prarthana which was conducted
by our Bishops according to Status-quo. Since it will be a violation
to the court order, incense was offered only at the tomb of late HG
Dr. Philiphose Theophilos.
After 1.00pm, society members came to the Tomb after being charged up
by HB Thomas saying his time to conquer the Seminary like the
Israelites is nearing, once again showcasing that he is not going to
follow any orders if it is against his liking. The government
authorities made it clear to the Society members, there will be only
Prayers and no other activities like offering incense or Holy
Qurbana will be allowed. Metal dictators were also installed.
After one batch of the Puthencruz Bishops came and prayed at the Tomb
and left,HB came to offer prayers along with a group. HB was murmuring
to his aids on the way to the Tomb. One aid carried a heavy red cloth
which was later realized as HB's Kappa. Another carried a bag which
was detained by metal dictator. It had a Cup & Chalice, and Sensor
etc. On reaching the tomb HB started putting the Kappa. Now may be
according to the latest Antiochian tradition while offering
prayers at the Tomb, you don't have to remove the black rob the Bishop
wears on top of the Red rob and wear a white kuppayam before putting
Kappa. Also the head cover which is part of the Kappa of a Bishop is
not needed and Masanapsa is enough. May be this could be one of the
latest rights given to the Maprhiyana of Malankara.
After putting the robs HB started asking for the items which he was
not aware were detained by the Police but the people with HB were
hopeful it will arrive soon. However, they couldn't spend more than 10
minutes at the tomb since the police kept an account of the time with
a stop watch. Finally HB had to return - Mission
Accomplished.......... Last year due to the benevolence of the
Ministers, HB could swing the sensor at the Tomb without fire, this
time there was no such privilege since the Court was involved. The
Police returned the items that were detained while the group came back
and the feelings on their face could be well summarized "Enney kandal
kinnum kattathanennu thonnumo".
Now turning to the news paper reports, it appears the journalist of
Kerala Kaumudi was the one who carried the Sensor and the journalist
of Deshabhimani has lit the fire in it before giving it to HB for
offering incense since they have reported doopa prarthana was
conducted. Poor enthusiastic journalist does not know the fact, if
these reports are brought to court it will go against the Society
members. The report of the Vishwasa samrashakan is a class apart. The
facts of their report can be vouched with the write-up on a photo of
HB & Co returning from the church is reported as entering the church.
The sole intention of this Puthencruz society publication is to
instigate rivalry and vengeance amongst the faithful.
There was also a report with regard to our people shouting slogans and
disturbing the crowd. The fact is, after the time for our people was
over by 11.00am many people started leaving for their homes but the
Police prevented them from going and asked them to remain at the
Seminary until 5.00pm. The Society members were to arrive only from
1.00pm and there was more than 1000 police. Obviously people were
stranded and many had to remain as detainees till 5.00pm. As a result
a few of our people protested with slogans, but later spent their time
in prayers until 5.00pm at the Chapel. The total faithful belonging to
both the factions put together who attended the feast could be around
I have seen people coming in procession to the Tombs with, Cross,
Candles, ornamental umbrellas, and flags that represent Saints and
Martyrs of the church. But except for one person who carried a cross
most of the other Society members carried Patriarchal flags while
entering the Tomb to show their Patriarch is above the Saints and Martyrs.
As a final note, things went of peacefully and I could see that the
Society faithful are slowly coming into terms with reality as many
were smiling at our faithful who were sitting inside the chapel
compound. But unfortunately the majority is being trapped and has
fallen in to those who teach and believe that, first Antioch came into
being, Antioch was with God and Antioch is God. Will
they ever know that the so called Patriarchs who they venerate are no
Syrians but are Arabs. Since there is lot of similarity between Arabic
and Syriac language the poor Sathyavishwasi thinks that what they
speaks is all Syriac. Infact what relation the Malayalee Christian
have for Syriac language is similar to the relation the Arabic
Christians have for Syriac. Nothing more.Unfortunately the Antiochian
Satyavishwasi is not ready to accept the fact the
majority of the few hundred people who speak Syriac as their mother
tongue belong neither to the Syrian Orthodox Church nor to any
Christian denomination. Same is the case with the liturgy and
vestments we use. No one has got any patent rights. If we have got
anything from Antioch, they have been borrowed from other churches in
Meanwhile, please pray for an impartial judgment on the Thrikkunathu
Seminary issue so that it leads to a permanent peace amongst the
warring factions of our church so that all faithful can come and offer
prayers together without any separate timings in future.
>"but coherently misleading and intentionally venomous remarksBrother congrats for your effort to expose the man of IOC in reference.. This man is a habitual liar . You can verify it from his postings in IOC. Dont worry IOC itself is misleading its believers. So we can forget this IOCian. IOC is/was cliaming that they are giving due respect to Our Fathers entombed in Thrikkunnath Seminary. Now on 26-01-2009 we saw that respect!!. They were so afraid (due to respect) that their leaders didnot even cast an eye on those holy tombs!. For IOC this is not a new thing. Hypocrazy and crookedness is in thier blood. So expect more.
>can be dangerous. Extremely dangerous that it can provoke even
>the acclaimed introvert to react. We had been doing this for ages"